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Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by tonypham »

drc500free wrote: post #329

Firstly, congratulations on your launch! My personal opinion as a Product Manager is that there is no all-in-one tool, there never will be an all-in-one tool, and anyone promising an all-in-one tool has some significant blinders on around the job functions they have been exposed to. Sales will use Salesforce. Engineering will use JIRA. And Product will use some generic roadmap-first tool like Asana, Trello, Miro, Mon…

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, drc500free. That is a very interesting comment.

For solos and small teams with simple workflows, I think they'll be able to use some types of "all-in-one" tools to manage their work. For large teams with complex processes, I agree with you that there are no all-in-one tools that could work well for all functions.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by beckingz »

tonypham wrote: post #260
nickbauman wrote: post #189

I'm sure this has some amazing features that really help with project and personal productivity mgmt compared to other systems. But let me ask you a question. If I want to get your attention, which one of the following techniques will work best: 1) Write you a snailmail letter 2) Send you an email 3) Send you a text 4) Write it on a yellow post-it note on your refrigerator The answer is 4. Because it's the most diffi…

I think it depends. For simple notes/reminders/to-do lists, paper and pen are enough. But for bigger projects, you might need a tool. Choosing the right tool for your needs can make a significant impact on your progress. That's why there are so many PM tools on the market. Cheers,

All tools are indistinguishable from a sufficiently advanced set of post it notes.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by burntcookie90 »

philippz wrote: post #71

Does it have offline support? This is the one thing I'm missing the most about Notion, Miro, Google Calendar, and all of this - offline support. In German trains, I'm offline, on flights, I'm often offline; while traveling, I'm often offline. Offline capabilities are often neglected.

Trello has offline support for mobile https://tech.trello.com/sync-architecture/

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by drc500free »

clairity wrote: post #346
drc500free wrote: post #329

Firstly, congratulations on your launch! My personal opinion as a Product Manager is that there is no all-in-one tool, there never will be an all-in-one tool, and anyone promising an all-in-one tool has some significant blinders on around the job functions they have been exposed to. Sales will use Salesforce. Engineering will use JIRA. And Product will use some generic roadmap-first tool like Asana, Trello, Miro, Mon…

first, it uses "PM" in the title, but note that upbase is a project management tool, not a product one. project management tooling could be viewed as a subset of product, but in other ways, project management is a related, but separate discipline. second, if your product management processes deliver no value to your colleagues, then you may need to work on that, perhaps more as an organization than an individual pm.…

I definitely hear you on the product/project distinction. It's sort of adjacent, it's sort of a subset. To me, project management is the cat-herding part of execution. And that's exactly the part where trying to get other functions to log work in the "catch-all PM system" falls apart, whether you're a project manager or a product manager juggling tickets.

You can either run it out of JIRA and only manage the work of software engineers, or you can run it out of something else and be out of sync. Probably the biggest mental trap PMs of both kinds fall into is running all status checks out of JIRA and ignoring everything about their product/project/career that isn't accomplished by pushing code to prod.

I find the people do get value out of what Product brings to the table, and absolutely buy into the vision (especially if they help define it). That doesn't make them motivated to maintain an additional project tracker for a status meeting. They also don't like flossing, even though they hate cavities.

And that's what we're talking about at the end of the day, because JIRA IS really good at what it does - either everyone gets aboard the JIRA train, or the engineers track all their tickets in something less powerful, or you ask the engineers to use JIRA AND something else.

Most established places go with the first option and then their only muscle is "ship code," many startups go with the second option until they realize they actually need JIRA after all. Then some PM (of one kind or the other) has to make the third option work so that they stop getting blindsided by the compliance work or the marketing campaign.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by d2049 »

>> I try to make it clean and simple, without all the bells and whistles.

>> Apart from team collaboration, I added many personal productivity features, including Weekly/Daily planner, Time blocking, Pomodoro Timer, Daily Journal, etc.

I'm having a hard time understanding how both statements can be compatible together. Open-minded to an explanation.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by ricardobeat »

clairity wrote: post #346
drc500free wrote: post #329

Firstly, congratulations on your launch! My personal opinion as a Product Manager is that there is no all-in-one tool, there never will be an all-in-one tool, and anyone promising an all-in-one tool has some significant blinders on around the job functions they have been exposed to. Sales will use Salesforce. Engineering will use JIRA. And Product will use some generic roadmap-first tool like Asana, Trello, Miro, Mon…

first, it uses "PM" in the title, but note that upbase is a project management tool, not a product one. project management tooling could be viewed as a subset of product, but in other ways, project management is a related, but separate discipline. second, if your product management processes deliver no value to your colleagues, then you may need to work on that, perhaps more as an organization than an individual pm.…

> when folks complain about jira, ~99% of the time, it's a complaint about the process and people

Not exactly. Most of the time, when people complain about JIRA they are complaining about its complexity, which gets exacerbated by PM's attempts to customize the system to their own liking, turning it into spaghetti. Even when the actual intended process is fine. That, and the slowness, subpar UI and arcane permissions system.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by tonypham »

d2049 wrote: post #356

>> I try to make it clean and simple, without all the bells and whistles. >> Apart from team collaboration, I added many personal productivity features, including Weekly/Daily planner, Time blocking, Pomodoro Timer, Daily Journal, etc. I'm having a hard time understanding how both statements can be compatible together. Open-minded to an explanation.

Here are my points:

- I want to build a simple, easy-to-use tool. No fancy, complicated features.

- Upbase is built for teams, but it should work well for Solos/Individuals. So you can use it for both team collaboration and for managing personal stuff. In the future, you'll have the option to turn off all team features, so that you can use Upbase as a powerful task management system, without all the distractions. (At the moment, you can turn off Chat if you don't use it)

They're two separate points, though.

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