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Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by cycomanic »

jmugan wrote: post #327
cycomanic wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? They might be much better at inventing things than starting and running a business. The stated goal behind patents is to advance the sciences not to create businesses.

My understanding is that the goal is to advance society (not really the sciences) by enabling someone to produce their invention so society can benefit from it. The patent protects someone from having that invention copied as soon as it is put to use, which provides motivation to spend the time inventing it.

From the US constitution :

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

smsm42 wrote: post #350
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #348

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That’s not public accountability. That’s vigilantism. Vigilantism occurs when the judicial branch fails to do the barest minimum of their fucking job. In case you’ve forgotten, the rules in society are written in blood. Whenever the government neglects their responsibility society at large will refresh the ink on the contract. As regrettable as this may be, the people to blame are not the ones in the mobs, but the on…

> Want it to stop? Stop acting shitty, take responsibility, learn and adapt. or retire to make room for those understand contemporary society if becoming a better person is so distasteful. Nice round of victim-blaming. Don't like the random mob vigilantism? Well, it's probably your fault and that's the modern society for you, and again your fault for not embracing it enthusiastically. In fact, you are a bad person fo…

That’s projection buddy. Do you have a playbook? Because this comment is straight of the Republican one. project, lie, misconstrue in bad faith. Are you familiar with the site guidelines? Uncharitable bad faith responses are a no-no here.

I’m talking about sexual predators, people who wore black face in the past two decades, domestic abusers, and other unacceptable behaviors. If you think any of this is okay, bugger off.

What are you talking about? Indian mob Justice? Tripathi? Gamergate? Spacey? Weinstein? Trump? R Kelly? Travis Scott? Bill Clinton? Assange?

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by pixelfarmer »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #165
pixelfarmer wrote: post #97

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What about patents are non-transferable and only valid, if the issuer actually makes use of them? The moment you let them rot in a drawer, you invalidate the patent. That would disable companies whose sole purpose is to "troll" others with patents they aquired from whomever, and it would also disable companies from inventing something just to block off this path to competitors, while never making use of it itself to…

I give one example of 18th century misuse (or rather, too broad of a patent granted) in a parallel thread : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33505728 Some decades later, however the (much less broad ?) patents over steam engines able to produce circular motion, seem to have forced Watt to differentiate and improve his "2nd engine" so much that it could be differentiated enough from the other patents : https://tec…

As I see it, the way we humans actually progress is through copying what other people did and extent on that, or get whole new ideas how to move on from that in a different way. Patents and copyright don't serve that principle, they exist to block it, to create some form of monopoly, for the sole purpose to increase profit for a few, letting society pay the cost for that. For example, the amount of hours wasted to get around patents is absolute insanity, up to the point that it can block off entire product categories because the patent is a crucial one for this to ever work.

The problem with multinationals is just icing on the cake, because they use all kinds of tools to block off competition, not just patents and copyright. And compared to the small inventor they do have the means to control for patent violations by others and go through court with that, if needed. So the whole process is highly aligned towards the wealthy to begin with.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by rbanffy »

btrettel wrote: post #60

Current USPTO patent examiner here. The most effective way to eliminate bad patents would be to give examiners more time, say double the time across the board to start. If an examiner can't find prior art in the little time they're given, and they have no other reasons to reject the application, they'll have to grant it. The amount of time was (basically) set in the 1970s based on data from the 1960s. There have been…

> as simply giving examiners more time.

Specifically on the prior art search aspect, there should be a bigger burden on the applicant to find meaningful prior art. If the examiner finds something obvious, the application should be deemed fraudulent and carry some stiff penalties.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by smsm42 »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #352
smsm42 wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Want it to stop? Stop acting shitty, take responsibility, learn and adapt. or retire to make room for those understand contemporary society if becoming a better person is so distasteful. Nice round of victim-blaming. Don't like the random mob vigilantism? Well, it's probably your fault and that's the modern society for you, and again your fault for not embracing it enthusiastically. In fact, you are a bad person fo…

That’s projection buddy. Do you have a playbook? Because this comment is straight of the Republican one. project, lie, misconstrue in bad faith. Are you familiar with the site guidelines? Uncharitable bad faith responses are a no-no here. I’m talking about sexual predators, people who wore black face in the past two decades, domestic abusers, and other unacceptable behaviors. If you think any of this is okay, bugger…

Me: maybe we should have less vigilante mobs, it's not working that well.

You: you must love sexual predators and domestic abusers, typical Republican! Bad faith! You should be deplatformed!

Yeah, friend, you present a great case study why twitter mobs are so bad.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

smsm42 wrote: post #355
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s projection buddy. Do you have a playbook? Because this comment is straight of the Republican one. project, lie, misconstrue in bad faith. Are you familiar with the site guidelines? Uncharitable bad faith responses are a no-no here. I’m talking about sexual predators, people who wore black face in the past two decades, domestic abusers, and other unacceptable behaviors. If you think any of this is okay, bugger…

Me: maybe we should have less vigilante mobs, it's not working that well. You: you must love sexual predators and domestic abusers, typical Republican! Bad faith! You should be deplatformed! Yeah, friend, you present a great case study why twitter mobs are so bad.

You’re doubling down on uncharitable bad faith interpretations.

I’m not suggesting you love or support these things, but I am concerned that you’ve taken a sarcastic defensive position instead of naming specific people to rebut my points. An omission of defeat perchance?

My point is that mob justice will continue until the government deigns the problem bad enough to enshrine these behaviors into law as crimes. Why are you having such a hard time understanding that this is a fixable problem directly resulting from negligent government?

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by tracker1 »

unequiv88 wrote: post #326
tracker1 wrote: post #77

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Unfortunately, anything short of a constitutional amendment explicitly stating that corporations and other collective entities do not have $list_of_rights that one may possess as an individual would be very difficult to keep in practice. Of course, this also would have to be limited to collective representation, not a group of people in person (such as at a physical protest). It could be very messy at this point. And…

It won’t take an amendment, just enough government officials to interpret the meaning of the documents differently.

Not just govt officials... judges, and SC.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by mountainriver »

AlexanderTheGr8 wrote: post #271
mountainriver wrote: post #178

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Exactly, patents on software are just insane and anticompetitive. I can’t really think of a single good reason to have them. This is tech, it’s a race, everyone playing already knows that. All parents do is slow innovation or in some cases stop it entirely

I agree how today's parents slow innovation in their children or in some cases stop it directly \s

Participation trophies! /s

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by smsm42 »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #356
smsm42 wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me: maybe we should have less vigilante mobs, it's not working that well. You: you must love sexual predators and domestic abusers, typical Republican! Bad faith! You should be deplatformed! Yeah, friend, you present a great case study why twitter mobs are so bad.

You’re doubling down on uncharitable bad faith interpretations. I’m not suggesting you love or support these things, but I am concerned that you’ve taken a sarcastic defensive position instead of naming specific people to rebut my points. An omission of defeat perchance? My point is that mob justice will continue until the government deigns the problem bad enough to enshrine these behaviors into law as crimes. Why ar…

If you should get anything out of this otherwise useless conversation, it's the difference between "omission" and "admission". Look it up, no need to thank me.

> My point is that mob justice will continue until the government deigns the problem bad enough to enshrine these behaviors into law as crimes

You mean the solution for mobs hounding people for wrongthink it for the government to make wrongthink a crime? Brilliant.

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Post by undersuit »

BurningFrog wrote: post #330
disillusioned wrote: post #310

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Corporations are people, my friend.

Corporations are groups of people. You don't lose your right because you act collectively, though some things get conceptually awkward.

Like Unions being forbidden to strike by courts?
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