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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by bondarchuk »

tptacek wrote: post #314
bondarchuk wrote: post #280

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He is open about having been diagnosed, not about having a "public breakdown", being "increasingly unhinged" or "quite evidently sick". Those are your inventions. Though they might well be true I think one should be careful diagnosing people at a distance (and without being a mental health professional) especially when it is used as a justification for taking away someone's agency (which I acknowledge you haven't don…

You're right. Maybe there is a conspiracy to plant child actors at his house to sexualize his children.

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Post by mariusor »

seanw444 wrote: post #316
shafyy wrote: post #111

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I disagree. There are limits to what ideas constitute free speech in many modern countries. As an extreme example, an idea that puts forward genocide as acceptable form of action should never be allowed under "free speech", even if it's said with nice words. This and other examples are ruled under law in many developed countries.

Then it's not free speech. The whole point is that there are not restrictions. If it's restricted, it is by definition not free. "Free speech" is a cool buzzword people think they can qualify for (or wish to), without the ramifications of true free speech (hurt feelings, bad ideologies being discussed in a positive light).

Freedom of speech is not a buzzword, it has a pretty good definition in the declaration of human rights and on Wikipedia:

> Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury.

The fact that most people on the internet (which seem to include you) are using it wrong is another thing. Free speech only applies in the relationship between citizens and the state. It has no meaning in the relationship between individuals and the platforms they're using for communication.

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Post by bnjms »

dk775 wrote: post #274
simongr3dal wrote: post #172

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The story told on the Dissect podcast[1] about Kanye and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy really paints a picture of a person who is not very well. [1]: https://anchor.fm/dissect/episodes/S2E1--Kanye-West-The-Elep...

Listen to his interviews yourself. Any medium, including podcasts, are packaging a narrative for you to hear. For better or worse. Personally and I’m black I listened to his latest interview and his points are pretty strong, it becomes obvious how he is being painted in a false light after hearing the interviews for yourself then hearing other people use clips to say he’s mentally ill and crazy.

Could you suggest a recent interview as an example? I’d like to judge myself.

I’m of the opinion he’s both someone with good intentions with good points but who makes those points sideways. But also that he’s mentally I’ll so he’s losing the ability to communicate clearly. I also think Candace Owens is an untrustworthy person with only self serving intentions.

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Post by luckylion »

bckr wrote: post #275
luckylion wrote: post #97

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That sounds to me like picking and choosing what's okay because "opinion" and what's not because "blatant lie".

There's a conversation of some depth to be had here. I think it might simply devolve into "rhetoric is part of a struggle for power", but I am not ready to be that cynical yet. "Capitalism is the problem". Let's take this as untrue (ironic laughter from the peanut gallery). Could "capitalism is the problem" be an opinion coming from one person and a blatant lie coming from another? Is it fundamentally different from…

That's an interesting point, and it seems correct. You need to consider the context and background to get an idea whether someone doesn't know better or actively tells the truth.

That's often hard for me with a lot of the "out there" medical advice, where it's not immediately obvious to me that they're just scams where the person goes home to laugh at the fools giving them money, but rather themselves believe in whatever theory they're advocating. I don't think it becomes an opinion (it's still a statement claiming to be factual), but it's not a lie, and certainly not blatant, though some of it is absurd (but again not to everyone, obviously).

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Post by mrtksn »

themitigating wrote: post #285
mrtksn wrote: post #267

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I agree, mostly. I propose methods to address these shortcomings instead of limiting speech.

I agree with this but then you don't have free speech right? I assume you are referring to something like defamation but controlled by the state

No, I refer to things like attaching counter opinions to opinions of people with high visibility for example. So if the concern is the power of the famous, never display their tweets alone, display it with a few other tweets.

Maybe do issue follow ups, so if someone says something and later it is contested prioritise the contestants until they get similar reach. For example, if a politician says he never met with someone and a photo of them together is revealed make sure that their claim is displayed together with the new photo.

Things like this.

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Post by jat850 »

themitigating wrote: post #307
francisofascii wrote: post #137

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> an idea that puts forward genocide as acceptable form of action should never be allowed under "free speech" See I have a problem with the word "never". How about "rarely" or at least "once". A terrible idea should be given an audience once. Let it it be quickly refuted, then go back to better conversations. If someone brings it up again, point them back to the earlier discussion. That way it is established why it i…

"That way it is established why it is a bad idea." Is that how most arguments on the internet end?

In practice, almost never. Internet arguments seldom result in both sides agreeing on a single outcome. Nobody is convincing anyone else of anything on the internet (most of the time).

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Post by coinbasetwwa »

z7 wrote: post #309
tptacek wrote: post #249

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He believes his kids friends are "professional actors" who were placed there to "sexualize" them, that The Gap knew about the Uvalde shooting before it happened, and that Pete Davidson slept with his wife through the mechinations of an international Jewish conspiracy. You're doing the same thing Fox did: quoting the least unhinged things and pretending the most unhinged things didn't get said. And, as I'm sure will h…

Thing is, I need to see the primary source before I can make a judgement. I tried to find the source for the first claim and it seems to be a quote from this Vice article: >Carlson’s program also didn’t air a strange claim from Ye that “fake children” had been placed in his house to manipulate his children. “I mean, like actors, professional actors, placed into my house to sexualize my kids,” he told Carlson. He refe…

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Post by wturner »

evgen wrote: post #130
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

He has also become quite tight with Candace Owens recently. She has been publicly supporting his persecution complex and appeared with him in the White Lives Matter t-shirt incident at the Paris Fashion Week event. I will give you two guesses who the CEO of Parler is married to...

Candace Owens - Wilks Bros funded figure head tasked with helping socially engineer a culture that removes taxes on the rich and feed contempt for real democracy.

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Post by wavefunction »

dragontamer wrote: post #305
themitigating wrote: post #279

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Brittney Spears, who hasn't made any public racists remarks (at least that I know) lost control

And in that case, it seemed like her holding company was abusing her. So invoking power-of-attorney over someone isn't always the solution to their mental health. Its an extreme move, and I'm really not sure if its designed to be used in the typical mental-health case. Its not like the mentally ill are suddenly incapable of performing useful work, or unable to watch over themselves. They just have... delusions, bad m…

> invoking power-of-attorney

You may be thinking of Legal Guardianship. Power of attorney just means someone is authorized to make the same legal decisions as the subject of the power of attorney and can be overridden by the subject.

Brittany Spears was subject to and abused by Guardianship.

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