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Post by fortylove »

colinmhayes wrote: post #332
fortylove wrote: post #30

Seeing giants fall like this, where they achieve the highest peaks imaginable, but then struggle to find the next thing that is suitably big enough to satisfy expectations makes me never want to reach mega success status if I ever start a startup.

Facebook still has more employees than it did when the pandemic started, and it isn’t particularly close. Is this a fall?

I think it's not the bottom of the fall, but I do think it's a pretty clear fall.

Facebook is the new MySpace, and Instagram is not attracting the newer generations. The metaverse is a wild moonshot to invent a completely new market and platform that Meta alone would control and of sufficient size to replace the inevitable decline of Facebook/Instagram ad revenue.

Personally, I don't believe people want the metaverse, and if it succeeds, it'll come at the cost of coercion via marketing overload.

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Post by rusk »

nisegami wrote: post #299
munchbunny wrote: post #205

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It’s not just that. It’s usually a combination of low bonuses/stock rewards, minimal raises, no promotions, uninteresting/less meaningful work, and less effort put into coaching them. Basically all of the stuff managers should be doing normally. If someone’s on the receiving end of all of those things they’ll usually leave sooner or later. Who wouldn’t want to?

Definitely sounds like constructive dismissal to me, but IANAL.

It’s difficult to prove intent, but it’s also difficult to implement policy without a paper trail

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Post by guy4261 »

skyyler wrote: post #324
wa_throwaway wrote: post #312

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> And the app doesn't look like it changed that much... You didn't intend it, but that is a complement of the highest order. Thanks! Those who've worked on large systems over many years will understand what I mean.

I can see what you're getting at here but in this case, a lack of changes is NOT desired or virtuous. WA is being left in the dust by messaging platforms that actually care about shipping a quality product.

I thought about this yesterday.

There is actually something very cute and personal about WhatsApp.

I would go to Telegram to get movies or some restricted (conspiracy?) news feeds.

Spam, payment notes, etc. come via regular Messages/SMS.

But when something comes via WhatsApp... Dunno, it just feels more personal from me. As if, it's someone I personally know or care about / involved with.

I think some of this magic is preserved just because it does not add any other features that dilate the original use case and how it makes one feel.

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Post by hattmall »

guy4261 wrote: post #353
skyyler wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see what you're getting at here but in this case, a lack of changes is NOT desired or virtuous. WA is being left in the dust by messaging platforms that actually care about shipping a quality product.

I thought about this yesterday. There is actually something very cute and personal about WhatsApp. I would go to Telegram to get movies or some restricted (conspiracy?) news feeds. Spam, payment notes, etc. come via regular Messages/SMS. But when something comes via WhatsApp... Dunno, it just feels more personal from me. As if, it's someone I personally know or care about / involved with. I think some of this magic i…

Telegram to get movies? Can you explain this?

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Post by oblio »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #348
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #265

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iMessage has a lot of users if you count people with iphones who very occasionally try to send a text but end up using iMessage. I count as one but it still is completely irrelevant to me. WhatsApp is where everything interesting is.

> Try to send a text but end up using iMessage iMessage is the default SMS and messaging app on iPhones. It’s what most people use for texting as well as messaging on iPhone.

In the US. Outside even iPhone users use WhatsApp or similar.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

mrguyorama wrote: post #326
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #143

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>I've got kids to support - and that means having parents they can trust, and look up to in this chaotic and morally ambivalent world. that's a high level of Maslow's hierarchy there, especially in the U.S with few support nets heading into what will probably be a really bad recession.

If you work in this industry and don't have at least a year's pay squirreled away, where the hell is all your money going?

really?`you are unable to think of any situation where people would be unable to save a year's worth of pay?

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Post by oblio »

tayo42 wrote: post #305
oblio wrote: post #213

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Adobe's the most forgotten and ignored tech company that actually makes staple software products and services, I think. No matter how much people hate their price gouging :-)

That's funny I never thought about that. Is their pay low?

Not super low. They're just not cool nor super big.

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Post by oblio »

kamaal wrote: post #310
bluedino wrote: post #290

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So that's why so many Indians move to the US to work as doctors.

After moving to US they still resent software people. It's not just money. They tend to imagine themselves as more intellectually capable people[due to their degree requiring long and expensive academic training] compared to engineers in general. Which isn't true. And it's not just about software. They look at something like a big dam, skyscraper, a F1 car, a fighter jet, or something like Google and kind of feel ins…

Doctors everywhere are by and large arrogant, especially surgeons.

There's a reason it's called "playing God".

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Post by f1shy »

pembrook wrote: post #172

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

And whatsapp

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Post by [deleted] »

hattmall wrote: post #354
guy4261 wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought about this yesterday. There is actually something very cute and personal about WhatsApp. I would go to Telegram to get movies or some restricted (conspiracy?) news feeds. Spam, payment notes, etc. come via regular Messages/SMS. But when something comes via WhatsApp... Dunno, it just feels more personal from me. As if, it's someone I personally know or care about / involved with. I think some of this magic i…

Telegram to get movies? Can you explain this?

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