Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 • Hacker News Board

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by kornhole » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:34 PM UTC

drexlspivey wrote: post #181

brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

My main issue with Mastodon is that your identity is tied to whatever instance you signed up with. So if I sign up at example.social I will be bob@example.social. If the moderators ban me or the instance stops working I am losing all my tweets and followers. Ideally you would sign up with your own domain (bob@mydomain.com) and point some dns records to whichever instance you want, this way you stay flexible and you o…

It is actually very easy to move your identity along with follows and followers from one Mastodon instance to another. I did it a couple times to finally land on my own instance I have running on a Raspberry PI.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by colinmhayes » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:36 PM UTC

monkpit wrote: post #224

cochne wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s a tech company. They employ lots of software engineers who develop a software product which is their central business. Why do you think it is not a tech company?

It’s sort of like saying Amazon is a delivery company. It’s part of a division of their company, and a main component at that. But it’s not like SREs working at AWS know or care about logistics.

Amazon is a logistics company though. Solving logistics is pretty much the entire value add of the retail arm.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by floor2 » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:38 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #280

SilverBirch wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about the context, Dorsey has basically been an absent CEO for the last 5 years. All the reporting is basically that he wasn't engaged, didn't make decisions, and in the end he didn't really step down from Twitter, he was forced out by activist investor buying up shares and pushing him out. It's not like he didn't have an opportunity to address the issues at Twitter, it's that he went off and worked at a differe…

There's also the fact that he's on the board of directors of Twitter while he's sending these text messages conspiring against the shareholders he represents!

I don't see anything here that seems at all like "conspiring against the shareholders".

He wanted to change the company in ways that he thought were better, but he couldn't get the support of the other stakeholders so he's leaving the board. He's discussing with a friend a combination of A) lessons learned and what he'd do differently if he could go back with his current knowledge and B) an abstract hypothetical that after he leaves the board maybe he'll work on a new project that does things better.

There is a huge difference between "I'm going to use my position at company X to harm company X" and "After I leave company X, I'd like to do a new project using the lessons I've learned".

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by svnt » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:39 PM UTC

SilverBirch wrote: post #279

piaste wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm very blissfully unengaged in Twitter as well, could you kindly spell out what it is you are referring to as the "elephant in the room"?

The Elephant in the room is that Musk is pretty much the perfect example of what makes Twitter terrible, and Dorsey had more than enough opportunity to fix it because he was literally in charge of the company for years and did nothing. All the shit Musk is throwing at Twitter now is stuff Dorsey was responsible for.

Alternative explanation is that the board brought Dorsey back because they were toxic and wanted someone they could contain/control.

Dorsey comes back out of love and is trapped by his attachment to the possibility, but has unconsciously accepted he can never achieve it.

The “CEO is/isn’t a job” argument above is reflected in this. Dorsey wasn’t ever Jobs, or Michael Dell. They wouldn’t have brought him back if he was.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by colinmhayes » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:43 PM UTC

hardnose wrote: post #308

andrewflnr wrote: post #18

I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?

Well personally I don't believe that because I watched his ted talk and it didn't seem like he had spent more than a few minutes thinking through the specifics of what his implementation of free speech would mean.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by SV_BubbleTime » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:45 PM UTC

unity1001 wrote: post #336

Trufa wrote: post #30

Unlike everyone else here apparently, I find his attitude pretty positive. You all act as if you would have know what twitter would become from the beginning and you would have done better, I've been in infinitesimally smaller projects with pressures that have nothing to do with building Twitter and still I thought like I was losing control of the direction the product was going.

Ditto. That conversation and the ideas contained within look !extremely! good to me.

So much so that knowing both of these people have seen how the sausage is made, makes me wonder if it wasn't a conversation that was entirely intended to end up on the internet.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by kornhole » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:45 PM UTC

I know both of these guys use signal.org. Such correspondence could not end up in public record unless one of them chose to make it public. Then comes the question of why they chose to make this correspondence public.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by gonehome » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:45 PM UTC

ajkjk wrote: post #263

gonehome wrote: post #223

Reading these it makes me wonder if they know about Urbit - it’s so much of what Jack wants that I’m really curious if he just doesn’t know about it.

Well urbit is kind of, like, a joke, right?

It's a serious project: https://zalberico.com/essay/2022/09/28/tlon-urbit-computing-...

There's a lot of weird marketing, but it's a real thing.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by advisedwang » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:49 PM UTC

kornhole wrote: post #357

I know both of these guys use signal.org. Such correspondence could not end up in public record unless one of them chose to make it public. Then comes the question of why they chose to make this correspondence public.

If they have disappearing messages turned off and get a subpoena they are obliged to turn over those messages.

I suspect, but I'm less sure, that if they have disappearing messages turned on but get a subpoena before the messages are actually deleted, then they are obliged to save them before they are deleted and turn them over.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by svnt » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 3:50 PM UTC

Cwizard wrote: post #189

Schroedingersat wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the bit where you inherit an apartheid emerald fortune.

I will be honest, even if I would inherit a fortune 2x as large I would still not be able to achieve what that guy has done. Impressive regardless of any inherited ‘privilege’. Sure he is a little weird but who isn’t.

You would also need the capitalist indoctrination at a young age so you’re inherently acquisitive at an animal level, and then a ton of luck.

You would likely get the first part for free if your parents managed to amass that kind of fortune.

The second part is just success bias over a large enough population.