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Re: We reduced our server costs by moving away from AWS

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Post by jen20 » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #333

jen20 wrote: post #332

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> Terraform was written by a sysadmin I’m with you on most of your post, but this is straight up wrong.

The original author of terraform (Mitchel Hashimoto) was not an Operations Engineer before writing Terraform? https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchellh/ Or are you saying that he's not the author? Commits seem to suggest otherwise. commit fb9c58f0e20a85a5358142ddb39a2f74d3bbe69b Author: Mitchell Hashimoto Date: Fri May 23 11:03:38 2014 -0700 config: better error message commit 089822a36f0a5e4c583ab401b7496b48bfa31d65 Aut…

Per my understanding (as one of the earliest contributors to Terraform and employees of HashiCorp) that indeed he was a developer with an interest in operations, not a sysadmin. Mostly consulting work for rails.

Re: We reduced our server costs by moving away from AWS

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Post by frognumber » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 2:31 AM UTC

isoprophlex wrote: post #52

frognumber wrote: post #43

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In most businesses I've worked in: developer costs >> infrastructure costs An AWS large server is around $500/year, which is about 1-2 developer hours (with taxes, overhead, etc) at the cost scales last time I priced this out. That's crazy expensive in the absolute, but if it saves a couple of hours, it makes sense. PaaS providers cost even more. I've gone with those in the past, since it basically eliminated dev-ops…

1-2 developer hours?! Anyone looking to hire an ML guy for 250-500$/hr flat fee, hourly rate, no taxes, no healthcare, cancel any time... get in touch! For that money I'll gladly bark like a dog, walk on all fours and fetch your slippers.

You're confusing how much money you take home from how much money you cost the organization.

You should see how much lawyers cost versus how much lawyers earn. The sticker price for SWEs isn't as well-advertised, but it's how businesses work.

Re: We reduced our server costs by moving away from AWS

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Post by oxfordmale » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 10:09 AM UTC

xani_ wrote: post #323

oxfordmale wrote: post #284

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3 people at 0.10% of their time is already 24K, assuming an 80K salary for each of you. You don't mention patching systems, or the time spend replacing the hardware racks every x years. It is very easy to underestimate the cost of maintenance.

> 3 people at 0.10% of their time is already 24K, assuming an 80K salary for each of you. which is less than 80k, yes. > You don't mention patching systems, or the time spend replacing the hardware racks every x years. It is very easy to underestimate the cost of maintenance. Please stop assuming stupid shit, ask for clarification if you're not sure what I included in it. Racking 2 racks took us 2 days, one on site,…

Cloud is generally more expensive by about 20-30%, I however, I stand by my point you are underestimating your costs. What about hardware deprecation? It is something you generally don't have to consider in the cloud.

Re: We reduced our server costs by moving away from AWS

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Post by floatinglotus » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 4:02 AM UTC

no_identd wrote: post #346

floatinglotus wrote: post #306

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Our solution targets the physical network in off-cloud, edge and distributed cloud use cases. The physical network is most likely the absolute root of trust and attestation. Physical devices gain their personalities from what network they are connected to. Physical networking is still the biggest impediment to operating on-prem infrastructure. You need to hire very expensive engineers, deal with a bizarre purchasing…

Ah. i.e. something akin to Meraki except not run by imbeciles which neither comprehend neither VLANs, nor Mesh Routing, nor Machine Learning, trying to sell second-rate hardware at a premium, with actual SDN instead of a fancy GUI pretending to be SDN, and vendor independent instead of with Vendor lock-in?

It’s not going to be any of those things.

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Post by JohnHaugeland » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:15 PM UTC

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #154

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #77

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> This is the Trillion Dollar Paradox described by Martin Casado. You’re crazy if you don’t start your business in the cloud, you’re crazy if you stay there. That's not a paradox. You're not crazy in either case. Starting in the cloud reduces costs for some strategies by removing necessary engineering. Starting in the cloud increases costs for other strategies by charging too much for commodity offerings. It's relati…

You’re going against the party line.

It's getting to the point where even if I just say "that isn't what I meant" or "that's a paraphrase, not a quote," I get flagged for it