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EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by franknord23 »

therealrootuser wrote: post #187

As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

With mass adoption of EVs and the further move to solar power, charging during the day is the sensible. Which mostly means chargers at workplaces.

(Not saying we don't need charging close to appartments at all, but workplace charging can alleviate some of it.)

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Post by morjom »

toast0 wrote: post #302
Gud wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you guys live? Here in Sweden we have a small bell on the steering you ring when you want to pass. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=iphone_b...

I'm in the US near Seattle. I don't have a bell, and I've got too much junk on my bars already to add one. When I've seen bells in use, they tends to spook the pedestrians anyway. Obviously it helps if they're ubiquitous.

I'm in Finland and most bikes come with a bell attached to them. To me they kind of feel like a thing every bicycle should have, like cars have horns.

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Post by natch »

shashurup wrote: post #319

I would love to use EV - it is simpler, more torque etc. But where do we get all this additional electricity from, mostly burning carbon?

Solar, wind, carbon burning, nuclear, hydro… a mix. Petro fuel burning won't go away, it will just be a smaller part of the mix.

And there's plenty of capacity at night. And there are batteries, which we can charge with for example solar in the daytime, and then use at night.

Rooftop solar is great because it's near the point of use. All the people wringing their hands about the grid can rest easy, it will be fine. Sure in some climate solar is less available; see above… it can be a mix as appropriate for the place.

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Post by dirkf »

Gud wrote: post #295
toast0 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a cyclist there isn’t really any good way to reliably avoid startling a pedestrian in a mixed environment. A loud freewheel is probably as close as it gets. I'd guess a loud freehub could work too, but I like my bikes old, so no freehubs. Maybe some sort of jetsons noise generator.

Where do you guys live? Here in Sweden we have a small bell on the steering you ring when you want to pass. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=iphone_b...

Indeed; here it's mandated by law to have a bell on your bike (together with lights and reflectors back and front). I would expect that's the case in many European countries.

There are cheap bells that you mount on the handlebar but they tend to break easily (and don't produce much sound; typically just one ting). Decent bikes have a more sturdy design, see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_bicycle#/media/File:Du... (it's on the left, wrapped around the handlebar next to your hand). These tend to produce more sound.

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Post by natch »

throw7 wrote: post #16

"Many of us don’t need detailed analysis to understand this. We can see it on our neighborhood streets" I live in an apartment complex. Zero EVs. I suppose you are correct; I never considered myself as part of the "Many of us" moniker.

The idea that EVs can't charge in an apartment complex is a false assumption. It depends. I know we overlooked some options for a while before discovering we were mistaken and actually could charge. Many others could be making the same mistaken assumptions.

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Post by pjc50 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #55
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I just completed a ~1600km drive back from visiting family. Half way through the outbound trip, in the middle of the mountains, I had to make a 300km detour due to a massive accident (two semi trucks head-on closed a mountain highway for more than a day). The detour was through a valley with no cellphone coverage for 150+km. At a rest stop I met a tesla driver in a panic. Without internet he was unable to figure out…

> There are some parts of this planet where it it very hard to envision mass EV adoption.

Perhaps, but how are they going to adapt to significantly lower CO2 emission? Through drastically increased prices? Or just accept the 4C warming and hope the fires are after your lifetime?

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Post by yourusername »

ht_th wrote: post #345
yourusername wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Netherlands bicycle paths are also walking paths when there is no dedicated walking path (which is quite common).

Yes, outside the cities and villages, where the number of pedestrians is low and that of cyclists often not large either. In those situations sharing infrastructure generally isn't an issue. Inside cities and villages, I don't think I've seen roads with a bike path, but without a pedestrian path. Maybe I've seen one in an industrial park or so.

>Inside cities and villages, I don't think I've seen roads with a bike path, but without a pedestrian path.

I see this situation all the time. Does every single bicycle underpass under the motorway have a full sidewalk alongside it? I can point to many situations in the Hague, Utrecht and Rotterdam where the bicycle path is the only option for pedestrians getting from point to point. I also know of tunnels that have bicycle paths but no pedestrian path. The only way to get across as a pedestrian is to use the bicycle path.

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Post by robertlagrant »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> Ideally we'd just begin to phase out cars ideally, as opposed to transition to EVs from ICE, but I suppose baby steps are warranted here.

Moving to electrified cars is an enormous step. It might look babyish now it's happening, but it wasn't even on the table 15 years ago.

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