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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by rejectfinite »

slothsarecool wrote: post #188
ffwszgf wrote: post #53

Cloudflare can do whatever it wants but I wish they were honest about it. The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. If anything the owner has been monitoring the thread more proactively and making sure people follow the law. This is included not allowing the creation of new accounts and reminding everyone that their data will be turned over to the authorities should it…

Just adding some light to the escalations; there were bomb and shoot threats over the last few days. The userbase on the site upped the tone of their "jokes"/threats after the last blog post and thats what caused the final suspension.

There are "bomb and shoot threats over the last few days" on FB, Messenger, Telegram, Signal, CoD/CS lobbies etc everyday. Like Kiwifarms the content is removed when reported. What is the issue?

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

KerrAvon wrote: post #198
thepasswordis wrote: post #95

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You’re OK with Kiwifarms killing this person and several others and being proud of it. Maybe you aren’t as ignorant as you claim? https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/o91umv/rip_byu...

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Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by jmyeet »

Icathian wrote: post #40

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

> There were no good choices for Cloudflare here ...

I couldn't disagree more. Just cut off sites for organized harassment and nazis immediately. If you're able to, hand over any archives you have to law enforcement. Don't even talk about it. Just let such sites disappear one day. Don't give them any more attention.

Could you be breaching a contract? Maybe. But who cares? You think the KF owners are going to reveal themselves and sue? Let them.

This is what I find infuriating about the US media and many people in general: there's way too much effort spent on trying to appear neutral by bothsidesing every issue.

If CNN existed in 1938 Germany, after Kristallnacht [1], CNN talking heads would've gone on the air and said "sure a lot of Jews were killed, their homes and businesses ransacked and the authorities looked on without intervening but the perpetrators say they asked for it. Let's hear what this spokesman has to say."

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

Re: Blocking Kiwifarms

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Post by Tsiklon »

cosmodisk wrote: post #72

Never heard of kiwifarms before but after having a quick read on it, I don't see any reasons why any provider of any sorts would deal with them. Not sure how screwed up in their heads people need to be to engage in this kind of shit.

Unfortunately internet discourse in the last 10 years has tended to descend into echo chambers. If you’ve managed to avoid interactions with the content being posted there and in other spaces like it, you have done quite well.

Worse than that, the mentality pushed forth in echo chambers like this seems to crystallise peoples thoughts, to the point that alternative thoughts to the zeitgeist therein these spaces are not tolerated or even heard without revulsion or aggression.

I’ve seen this in both the extremes of Right wing and Left wing politics in the last ten years.

Currently in my opinion, the extreme right wing seems to be the more dangerous of the two. In part due to the volume of adherents to the ideology and the secondly proportion of people within who are die-hard adherents, thirdly globally, the political centre appears to be a good bit further to the right of where it was 20 years ago, it seems that more extreme right wing political thought is more accepted now.

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Post by andsoitis »

jyrkesh wrote: post #192
altcognito wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. They have a responsibility to their investors to insure that their brand isn’t used to coordinate violence. Dont just shrug your shoulders while a small group invite…

> I don’t believe you have the same information as cloudflare and assuming good faith I believe them when they say there are legitimate threats to body and person. I don't believe that Cloudflare gathered the same volume of info that many others have about KF. OP's point is that behavior as bad or worse than what's been going on (yes, including super detailed doxxing, swatting, death threats, and the like) have all b…

> But I do tend to peruse extremist circles on both sides to understand the radicalism a little better, and generally think that keeping these folks relegated to unseen areas is net-negative.

Why net-negative? If it is accessible online (and it must be, otherwise how do they communicate?) then one can still peruse, have a pulse on it.

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Post by kevingadd »

rejectfinite wrote: post #237

Cloudflare is a private busniess and can refute service ofc, but should the owner not get some notice of the termination to move to another service in time?

If you want a termination notice you should work with a hosting provider that guarantees one in their terms. I wouldn't be surprised if most providers have special clauses that entitle them to cut you off instantly, though. There are probably cases where law enforcement would demand that they do it anyway.

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Post by yew »

Good. Now that we've finally established that Cloudflare isn't impotent after all, it's time to go down the list. No more faux "conversations." This isn't the only site they already know they need to drop.

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Post by Banana699 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #298
Icathian wrote: post #40

There were no good choices for Cloudflare here, and everyone across the internet who jams their fingers in their ears and shouts their position repeatedly is just contributing to the problem. Private companies should not be the de facto moderators of free speech in our society. They are forced into that position by woefully inadequate governance by legal authorities operating multiple decades behind the current lands…

Clear and present danger is not protected under free speech, and that's exactly what the OP describes.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

Cyberdog wrote: post #63
alexb_ wrote: post #17

>Kiwifarms itself will most likely find other infrastructure that allows them to come back online, as the Daily Stormer and 8chan did themselves after we terminated them. And, even if they don't, the individuals that used the site to increasingly terrorize will feel even more isolated and attacked and may lash out further. There is real risk that by taking this action today we may have further heightened the emergenc…

> this problem was never going to go away for them if they didn't. Sure it was. Another week or two and the angry people would have got bored and moved on to some other outrage. Instead they have been shown that the infrastructure of the internet will bend to their will if they make enough noise. Good job, CF.

It won't take a month and they have the next request.

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Post by coffeeblack »

So we have privatised the legislative and police on the internet? What that means we shall see in ten years or so.

Why are crimes committed on KF not stopped “the old fashioned way”, ie rule of law and the court system?

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