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Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by perfopt » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

Buttons840 wrote: post #22

yrgulation wrote: post #14

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> That’s how I feel when I try to interview for an software engineering role. You meant to say when you interview for the wrong companies? Google’s (and other leetcode nurseries) been steadily regressing. Not sure you want to be a part of it. Only idiots build sorting algos in 2022 let alone ask highschool questions about them. Keep hunting and grab some popcorn - it will be fun to watch.

> Only [well-paid] idiots Working at Google may be going down with the ship, but at least in the end you get to sail away on your golden life boat.

As long as you dont get carried away and spend it all

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by treeman79 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:27 PM UTC

ammanley wrote: post #344

I_AM_A_SMURF wrote: post #215

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Have you tried ADHD medications? I don't normally take them but they really helped me going through the interviews (I legitimately have ADHD, but the side effects are too much for me for normal use)

Did you find that that helped you focus despite anxiety? Annoyingly, I've only been able to get my hands on the most common one, Adderall, which turns me into a bouncy boy flying off the walls for some reason. It sadly seemed to trigger my anxiety too. Child comment mentions trying some others, which I might do. (Have been on multiple different anti anxiety / depression meds, as well as a few anti seizure meds too fw…

Adderral is rough. I’ve had better luck with Concerta or vyvanse

Adderall would make me super energetic for hours. Crazy chattt. Then I would be really focused for a for a couple hours. Then it would wear off and I would be drained. After a few weeks I started having horrific burning pain throughout body. Extended release is supposed to be better.

I do much better on other Medication. Kids do great on them. One is best on concerta. Other does better on vyvanse. My whole family is crazy strong ADHD. I prefer concerta. Vvyanze initially made me crazy sad. When I tried it again a year later it didn’t do that.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by jdmg94 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:29 PM UTC

treyfitty wrote: post #94

I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…

Man we are living the same hellscape, I had an offer rescinded a couple of weeks ago, been interviewing since April. Got to so many onsites and passed a bunch of hoops only to get "we paused hiring", "we are rescinding your offer", or sometimes just get ghosted.

The tech recruitment process is clearly broken. Companies have left this as an afterthought, its so clear to anyone interviewing that entire recruitment departments are doing the most and putting devs to hell for it

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by jdmg94 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:34 PM UTC

Salgat wrote: post #73

xtracto wrote: post #69

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I found it funny that a week ago I got an email from a Google recruiter, offering me to enter their interviewing machinery. I bluntly told him that I rejected the offer because of the horror stories regarding 5-7 interviews in Google. The recruiter's reply was that it was ok of this was not an appropriate time for me , and that we would stay in touch. How can they be so dense? Of course it may be that they are also j…

Google is one of the few companies that has enough talent applying to be able to turn away perfectly good candidates. All those hoops you jump through ensure you're willing to go above and beyond a healthy level to "serve" the company.

Google is not some special company, its a big company and it has shitshows to fit their big company status. Just because they can keep throwing money at their recruitment department doesn't mean this is something worth replicating or that they get the absolute best talent (if that was the case their messaging apps would not get deprecated after a year)

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by jdmg94 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

sulam wrote: post #35

lovich wrote: post #25

I don't disagree with this articles satire, as it lines up with my experience if you remove a bit of the hyperbole. I am however curious as to why companies continue to do this and seem to be increasing their interview requirements in the face of an inability to hire. The most reasonable sounding answer I can come up with is that executives are balking at engineering pay and rationalizing it to themselves by demandin…

Not really. It comes down to the asymmetry in hiring outcomes. It is much more expensive to hire a bad employee than it is to hire a good employee. It’s gotten exceptionally hard to just fire people in corporate America, at-will employment notwithstanding.

Ha! that's a funny one a company will not hesitate to fire you. Just look at how many companies started layoffs as soon as the stock market started crashing

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by jdmg94 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

swader999 wrote: post #89

And you are now hired! Note that there will be daily metrics collected on your keystroke rate, github contributions, slack response times, monthly managerial review and quarterly peer rankings. We also track your extra curricular internet and social media activity to ensure our members contribute to the greater good.

I had a job like that, every 10 mins: webcam shot, screenshot, average keystrokes

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by swader999 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

jdmg94 wrote: post #356

swader999 wrote: post #89

And you are now hired! Note that there will be daily metrics collected on your keystroke rate, github contributions, slack response times, monthly managerial review and quarterly peer rankings. We also track your extra curricular internet and social media activity to ensure our members contribute to the greater good.

I had a job like that, every 10 mins: webcam shot, screenshot, average keystrokes

Did it work for the company? Did they ship quality features faster?

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by jdmg94 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:53 PM UTC

russfink wrote: post #329

I wonder what shaped the practice to be like this - megalomania, or companies legitimately getting burned?

Every recruitment department following the "GoOgLe StYlE iNtErViEwS "

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by jdmg94 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 4:54 PM UTC

closedloop129 wrote: post #295

Can something be done that changes the dynamics in the job market? The underlying problem is that companies don't trust the existing available information. E.g. if individuals cannot be judged, could it be easier to hire entire teams? This would reduce the control that a company has over their software because the knowledge is gone if the team abandons the contract. So, could software be structured and documented to…

Unionizing?

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Post by Ologn » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

temporallobe wrote: post #152

The beginning of wisdom is to understand that nobody knows everything. I regularly interview candidates for my team and other teams. I can pretty much determine in about an hour if a candidate is a good fit or not. But one thing I have noticed lately is that some of them try to cheat (only possible with remote interviews of course). Basically they google answers as we are talking, or they have someone else do it in t…

> I can pretty much determine in about an hour if a candidate is a good fit or not

I have interviewed a lot of people. Most of the time I can determine three questions in if someone is not a good fit. This is on a technical interview. I have never done an interview where someone blew, or gave middling answers to the first three questions, and then recovered. Also, I never gave an interview where the person hit the first three questions out of the park and then started flagging, in terms of technical answers any how.

In terms of people who did well on the first three questions but who did not get an offer, it was always due to "cultural" issues, and it was someone else (often the manager) who raised those cultural issues, with me sometimes disagreeing (for instance, my old manager thought someone was too arrogant, whereas I didn't mind).