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Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by mbrameld »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #307
gkoberger wrote: post #299

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Fly, Render, or (blah) straight AWS. If I was starting from scratch, I'd go all in on Next + Vercel.

Why not bare metal servers or VPS from like... DigitalOcean? What is DigitalOcean missing for your use case/preference specifically compared to Next + Vercel? I'm not a DigitalOcean shill or employee, I'm just curious what I'm missing from a "what do other competitors out there offer". I always thought it was like... spinup Debian/Ubuntu VPS, ssh to it, install Docker, run docker-compose or Docker Swarm or... Terrafo…

https://vercel.com/solutions/nextjs

If you scroll down a little there's a section titled "Out-of-the-box features" that answers your question. I think the edge functions would be the hardest thing to do on your own.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by rychco »

coffee_beqn wrote: post #39
joshstrange wrote: post #26

So their next chapter is obscurity followed by shutting down? It was clear even before their horribly bungled GitHub security incident that Heroku was on life support at best and it's been a long time since "Heroku" was the answer to "What PaaS should I use?". The beancounters took control a while back and are sucking all they can out of it before they discard it's empty shell. Having Heroku as your PaaS provider see…

What is the PaaS people use today? Just big cloud is too powerful or are there still niche companies that make life easy for startups like Heroku used to?

render.com & fly.io are two choices that may fit your description. I've deployed a small project to render.com and it's been enjoyable.

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Post by beckingz »

the_sleaze9 wrote: post #296
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #282

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Is Heroku stuck in a death spiral? Source needed?

All it would take is a quick google... Heroku stock price is down roughly %50 from less than a year ago. Death spiral? I don't know. But slashing costs is certainly not indicative of Heroku having a super awesome fun time.

You mean salesforce's stock price?

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by TillE »

I want to run a very low-traffic Discord bot, and I was about to use Heroku's free plan for that. But at a minimum for $7/month for just the dyno, I'm far better off renting a full VPS instead.

It's frustrating that I haven't found many good options for hosting a program that's constantly running but using few resources. I suppose it's not very profitable to do that kind of thing for around $5/month.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by anotheracctfo »

nebula8804 wrote: post #298
shostack wrote: post #237

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I don't understand this sentiment sometimes. There may be fraud and abuse. There may also be a material cost to a company whose detailed financial situation I'm assuming you are not purvey to. Someone doesn't need to be "a stupid MBA" to have made this decision (in fact my guess would be it involved many cross functional and leadership perspectives given its nature). Also, this is quite possibly something necessary f…

MBAs have destroyed the US/Europe. How? Outsourcing all the jobs/manufacturing to China. This caused so many knock on effects. Some include an angry unemployed population electing Trump/other populists, the west being caught with its pants down during COVID when things we needed could not be obtained from China...many others as well. Then subsequently after all the manufacturing jobs were outsourced the next thing to…

The lowest grade I got in my business degree was Information Systems. The reason I got that grade is that I made a case for in-sourcing development based on my personal experience, where we provide services for cheaper than consultants, that aligns with OUR business processes.

The only answer to any and all business IT questions in non-IT companies is to outsource. The reasoning is that it is considered a support activity on Porter's value chain, and as such should be cut cut cut cut cut cut and cut some more.

Hilariously we're also taught to adopt best-of-breed software for ERPs, CRMs, and SCM tools AND CHANGE OUR BUSINESS PROCESSES TO MATCH THE SOFTWARE. You know, like Target did when they moved to Canada, adopted SAP, and ended up failing hard, because their entire competitive advantage came from a custom in-house developed supply chain management tool that beat all of their competitors.

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Post by pjc50 »

zdragnar wrote: post #262
shrewduser wrote: post #238

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Porn and crypto sure, but what are nazi's using free hosting and bandwidth for?

Presumably, "nazi" here is a stand-in for any form of communication not protected by free speech laws and / or is actively forbidden by government censors (or perhaps merely undesirable by social standards). Hate speech, anti-government advocacy, promotion of violence and terrorism etc will use "free" tier accounts because they want as little capability of being tracked to in-real-life people as possible. They may or…

Things like Kiwifarms which provide a risk of substantial reputational damage if you're seen to be supporting them. There's a campaign on Twitter to deplatform KF from Cloudflare after more SWATting incidents, for example.

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Post by nxss »

throwaway_4ever wrote: post #322
koolba wrote: post #147

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Why even bother with contacting an account executive? It's $7 per dyno per month for the cheapest hobby tier. That's peanuts compared to any fees for a paid bootcamp. Heck, with inflation, that barely buys a bag of peanuts. Plus the students would have an incentive to learn about shutting down unused resources that would pay dividends if they ever deploy to AWS. It'd be like a home economic lesson for hosted services…

Yes, but you also really need Postgres and that's now an extra $9/month too. $0 -> $16

Stop giving up, we tested several alternatives not too long ago and it's possible to get a small DB for free: https://nixsanctuary.com/best-paas-backend-hosting-heroku-vs...

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by jacquesm »

tdjsnelling wrote: post #149
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

I agree that the Heroku developer experience has been second to none. I'm a front-end & DX engineer at Northflank and we're working hard to evolve and create a next-gen iteration of the Heroku experience anchored around 12 Factor Applications in a Kubernetes/cloud native era. We're getting very close, come and see for yourself: https://northflank.com . Some key features: * As simple as `git push` to build & deploy se…

Heroku also started out with that generous free tier and look where we are now. Make sure your business works and is solid and protected against abusers before you start handing out free tiers because that's the hard part of anything free.

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Post by ryanbrunner »

pastor_bob wrote: post #100
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

> Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps Some would say bootcamps exploited a free service and a nice-to-have became an expectation

I think bootcamps did what it said on the box. It showed their students to have small toy hobby projects, which is exactly what the free tier is for.

Also having taught a bootcamp, I think costs to Heroku for bootcamp students would be basically negligible. Their apps tend to only be accessed by them and maybe 1-2 others, and only are really actively used for a few months.

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Post by base »

vagabund wrote: post #79
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

It's worth mentioning there's a very vibrant piracy community that abuses heroku's free tier for torrent to direct-download bots and myriad other purposes. Thousands and thousands of fake accounts using the resources to their limits 24/7. It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. I can understand why Salesforce has felt the need to restrict access.

I think that's one of the reasons, but the main one is economical.

For a long time they dealt with the free accounts, so in a way they have already a lot of protections in place, and if they wanted they could keep the existing free accounts and just not accept further signups for this account type.

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