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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

scarface74 wrote: post #337
blooalien wrote: post #264

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Funny how their motto used to be "Don't be Evil."

This isn’t Google being “evil” just incompetent. During their entire history, they’ve had one successful product - advertising. No Android has not been a financial success. It came out in the Oracle trial that Android had only made Google $27 Billion in profit from its inception through the trial start date. For comparison, Google pays Apple a reported $14 Billion a year to be the default search engine on iOS devices…

Incompetence that leads to accusing a caring father of distributing CP seems “evil” to me.

And I usually find myself on your side of these discussion, trying to avoid hyperbole. I don’t think ‘evil’ is hyperbolic in this case.

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Post by public_defender »

yyyk wrote: post #251
public_defender wrote: post #218

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Unfortunately prisons, which are increasingly private for-profit enterprises, will continue to exist. Think about it: if you're banned from google, how will your body continue to generate revenue?

What makes you think the body is useful? Robots will be able to do everything better, and if not, there'll be no shortage of labour. The body is mostly a cost center. If we strip down the human to a mind in a box it's so much cheaper (and no need for guards either!).

Well, you are correct in the sense that only the consciousness needs to be incarcerated in order to sustain the profit model, but:

(a) compute cost for uploaded brains is probably more than the cost for the pig slop and water/sewer bills of current model. Recall that prisons right now almost never have AC. If you're going away from corpses, you'll have to pay for that.

(b) Cost of caring for the physical body has pretty much been solved by the markets. The customer has a social network that sends money in and pays transfer fees. This network also pays per call and email. Then the customer purchases food and clothing at monopoly prices, since... it's a captive market! Just imagine the ARR hit when people stop eating.

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Post by dogleash »

lizardactivist wrote: post #14

But they keep insisting that their services and cloud storage is private and secure? Odd.

These statements should be understood as Google's privacy, and Google's security. You're just an authorized user.

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Post by derwiki »

gregwebs wrote: post #189

What are the ways to mitigate these issues for someone that wants a lot of the features of Google Photos? It seems that Amazon Photos is basically copying Google Photos and has a lot of the features. I wouldn't care if my Amazon account was closed down. And it is free if you are already a Prime member.

Do Flickr or Dropbox have the features?

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Post by bhedgeoser »

bhedgeoser wrote: post #46
chasil wrote: post #35

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The article mentions two independent instances of this process within Google, where appeal is not possible even with a police report that completely exonerates the suspect. It sounds to me as if a class action lawsuit is the most appropriate remedy for the unfortunates who are caught in this predicament. Their only problem is finding each other. For the rest of us, it is unwise to use cloud storage for photos, for se…

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Post by megous »

patleeman wrote: post #263
PaulKeeble wrote: post #165

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Nowadays you can buy a NAS and plug it into your router and then click the install nextcloud option and you have it running, then you add the app on your phone. Its no where near as difficult to get these level of capability as it used to now that Docker is integrated in a user friendly way in a lot of NAS software.

I run a server at home and I’ve set up Nextcloud. I don’t trust it to be more reliable than a paid service. The thing about self hosted solutions is you’re completely on your own if something goes wrong. You need to make sure you’re backing things up, that you can restore your Nextcloud configuration if your sql database takes a dump or you fat finger and delete some config files (I’ve done both). Or if you have a po…

If something goes wrong with your google account (or other SaaS that would lose your data, or ban you without recourse), you are not even on your own, you're just trully fucked. It's poof gone and no local/internet tech geek will be able to help you.

If something goes wrong with your at home nextcloud, you still have the data/hw, and you can either get help troubleshooting from someone who understands what they're doing, or you can try yourself (which will take more time). You're not on your own. And even if you are, you can just shelve it, and defer the recovery for later. But unless it figuratively crashed and literally burned, you're not fundamentally prevented from recovering your data.

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Post by psyc »

elif wrote: post #276

From my travels, my impression has been that America in particular treats child nudity as completely, unexceptionally obscene, beyond even adult nudity. Compared to a beach in Europe, where nearly half of children under 2 run naked, there seems to be no grey area or minimum acceptability in the US. It makes me wonder if our hypersexualized treatment of child nudity /actively contributes/ to the sexualization of child…

A different article recently prompted me to wonder (I'm American): We know exactly at what age someone becomes 'legal' wrt images - do we know on which day of their life a person first becomes 'illegal'?

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Post by zelphirkalt »

shadowgovt wrote: post #323
zelphirkalt wrote: post #250

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> Just how tone deaf can Google be, continuing to treat these innocent folks as criminals in this passive aggressive statement even after being proven wrong? Do these people have no empathy at all? They don't care a single bit about the effect their actions have on others. They only care about having to build a system, which can distinguish such cases from actually criminal ones. Because that wouldn't scale and would…

> They only care about having to build a system, which can distinguish such cases from actually criminal ones There are only two ways to actually do that: 1) Make Google's policies 100% subservient to the United States legal system, which would look a lot like the "corporate / national lock-step unity" one sees in actual fascism 2) Google build its own court system, independent from the United States court system but…

How about just saying in hindsight: "Hey, we were wrong! [Yes, it's possible! The allmighty Google can be wrong! Newsflash!] We are sorry, these things happen with our automated systems. Person XYZ is completely not guilty of our accusations and we will revert all actions taken from our side. It is in the nature of things, that these cases are difficult to distinguish, without information about the child as well as the parent and we need to stay vigilant about pictures of children being uploaded to our services. Please accept our apologies."

Instead of going: "Nooo! We were still right! We don't care what others say or what facts were found out!"

So I am thinking you are painting the scenario a bit wrong here, saying, that there are only 2 options. An honest apology and actions to make up for ones mistakes can go a long way. Of course I would not expect Google to act that way.

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Post by fortran77 »

googlryas wrote: post #336

Have you ever hated child porn so much that you sent private medical photos of someone's naked children to multiple strangers? If not, you obviously aren't as committed as Google about ending CSAM.

And the center for missing and exploited children is not a law enforcement agency and uses volunteers! That’s outrageous
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