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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

prometheus76 wrote: post #333
HighlandSpring wrote: post #169

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> I don't think disgust is "innate". Oh it is and what til you hear about couple more fears we didn't have to learn through experience: > Examples of innate fear include fears that are triggered by predators, pain, heights, rapidly approaching objects, and ancestral threats such as snakes and spiders. Animals and humans detect and respond more rapidly to threatening stimuli than to nonthreatening stimuli in the natur…

Also, fear of loud, sudden noises, and fear of heights/falling are very ancient and show up very early in development.

Some fun science on babies and fear of falling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WanGt1G6ScA

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by hombre_fatal »

TuringTest wrote: post #162
verisimi wrote: post #127

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Anything to do with eating any meat can be dangerous. We don't know why religions banned certain meat. Anthropologists etc give us post facto rationalisations, and, to my mind, even the holy books might be retrospective excuses.

There are two main reasons why religious books of law ban certain behaviors: - to encode social and higienic rules as understood at the time - to signal heressy, prohibiting a common practice carried out by heretics (double points if it is a practice central to those heretical beliefs). For religions originating in the desert where meat spoils quickly, it makes sense to ban those kinds of meat more prone to transmiti…

fwiw, turning on your spellchecker would enhance your comments greatly.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by antirez »

Shindi wrote: post #329
eth0up wrote: post #261

The importance of this subject is underestimated and applies as well quite independently of whether humans eat the insects directly or not. Consider the cuban tree frog for example, which has long since initiated its campaign in Florida to host and spread throughout the food chain the rat lungworm nematode. Rat lungworm (angiostrongylus) holds its own in the burgeoning presence of hideous and hostile parasites. It is…

I'm sorry to be direct, I know your post has a ton of interesting knowledge, but it was impossible to read. Have you considered using newlines or breaks? You probably have amazing ideas and more people would read them if it was easier to read (my 2c)

No offence, but I would rather suggest improving your reading skills. Books don't have newlines or spacing, mostly: do you have issues reading a novel as well? That would be a major problem. But I bet you don't have any issues reading books, because this demand of spacing is a lot stronger among US readers and I bet is mostly cultural rather than a real issue.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by caddemon »

tommit wrote: post #193
washbrain wrote: post #67

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Maybe it was challenging before, but honestly, getting enough iron and protein in a vegan diet today is pretty trivial. There are plant based alternatives to more or less everything these days. I'm vegetarian,, and only for 3 or 4 years, but honestly there's nothing really missing at all for me.

On every HN thread about meat there are people claiming they know dozens of people that nearly died because they stopped eating meat, completely neglecting that there are entire cultures that eat pretty much no meat[0]. Or the fact that there are numerous studies about how we eat too much meat and how it affects our health[1]. Sorry, I just don't believe it. Or my experience is just vastly different, because nobody I…

Vegan and vegetarian are pretty different. I don't have a problem staying healthy (and enjoying a dinner or two out every week) without meat, but I think it would be extremely hard for me to do that and keep vegan. As I'm allergic to nuts a decent chunk of common substitutes are off limits.

Is it still possible? Sure, but giving up dairy/eggs would be a much bigger sacrifice to me than giving up meat, and it goes beyond just enjoying the foods - the effort required to maintain a balanced diet would have additional time and social costs that vegetarianism doesn't for me.

I think a much more fruitful avenue for persuasion (and this applies to vegetarianism too) is to encourage people to try cutting back on the products, perhaps start with one day a week meat-free. Different people may find it easier or harder based on a number of life circumstances, but the easier they find it, the more they may cut back.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by lostlogin »

Shindi wrote: post #329
eth0up wrote: post #261

The importance of this subject is underestimated and applies as well quite independently of whether humans eat the insects directly or not. Consider the cuban tree frog for example, which has long since initiated its campaign in Florida to host and spread throughout the food chain the rat lungworm nematode. Rat lungworm (angiostrongylus) holds its own in the burgeoning presence of hideous and hostile parasites. It is…

I'm sorry to be direct, I know your post has a ton of interesting knowledge, but it was impossible to read. Have you considered using newlines or breaks? You probably have amazing ideas and more people would read them if it was easier to read (my 2c)

Reading it on mobile mostly fixes it. You delivery criticism kindly, that is hard to do.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by GnarfGnarf »

tuatoru wrote: post #50
0x20cowboy wrote: post #35

I don’t get why it’s so hard for people to just stop eating animals.

Over the years I've seen several female friends try to stay vegan. One managed a decade before she couldn't put up with the anemia any more. The others quit sooner, because of weight loss, malnutrition, and other issues. It seems humans were evolved to scavenge animals as well as eating plants. It's not just protein, it's iron and fats, and a few other things.

Yes, we evolved to eat meat, just not so much :o)

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Post by gjs278 »

cassepipe wrote: post #170
kentrado wrote: post #104

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Actually, pork meat can be really dangerous!! That's also another reason why some religions ban it's consumption. Nowadays, we learned enough to overcome the dangers of pork but that's a result of modern society.

Except that might not be the reason why it's forbidden : https://youtu.be/pI0ZUhBvIx4

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Post by kevinmchugh »

jnwatson wrote: post #321
noduerme wrote: post #189

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Religious laws like kosher and halal laws didn't develop from disgust. They engrained disgust to steer people away from contracting trichinosis. That was an exceedingly practical way of putting out a public health message prior to the advent of mass literacy. When my Jewish grandparents came from Ukraine to the US in the 1930s they'd never even considered or been presented with the possibility of eating pork... so fa…

“ When my Jewish grandparents came from Ukraine to the US in the 1930s they'd never even considered or been presented with the possibility of eating pork” I don’t understand how that could occur, since a great deal of pork is produced in Ukraine, both now and historically.

It may have been their first time in a non-Kosher butcher. Ukraine used to have very large Jewish enclaves.

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Post by zajio1am »

antirez wrote: post #353
Shindi wrote: post #329

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I'm sorry to be direct, I know your post has a ton of interesting knowledge, but it was impossible to read. Have you considered using newlines or breaks? You probably have amazing ideas and more people would read them if it was easier to read (my 2c)

No offence, but I would rather suggest improving your reading skills. Books don't have newlines or spacing, mostly: do you have issues reading a novel as well? That would be a major problem. But I bet you don't have any issues reading books, because this demand of spacing is a lot stronger among US readers and I bet is mostly cultural rather than a real issue.

Most books have reasonably-sized paragraphs.
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