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Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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I doubt it. Facebook may have issues but they aren't going to disappear anytime soon.

Some of us are old enough to have been through Hi5 and MySpace....

And some are old enough to have read millions of predictions of death of IBM, Microsoft, Apple, Google and FB.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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What does the research show as to why people won't pay a subscription or entertain another type of monetization model?

If you look at platforms like Twitch, Substack, and Patreon, I think it's pretty clear people are willing to entertain other models in large enough volume to support the livelihoods of the recipients. I do find it curious why there isn't a "paid" option from services like Facebook where you pay a monthly fee to essentially opt out of being their product opposed to user and not get targeted with ads. I guess in their…

Part of the basic issue with that kind of "opt out" system is that the users who will pay for no ads probably have more disposable income and are therefore desirable advertising targets.

I believe I've heard it said that Hulu makes _more_ money per user on "with-ads" tier users than those that pay extra to remove the ads.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

For me, a large majority of my friend/family updates come through group chats. I have 4 large (10+) groups that are friend groupings from different interest areas. Which use iMessage/WhatsApp/Signal 1 huge one for a group of concert/rave friends on Signal 3 overlapping groups of various family-relatives using iMessage/WhatsApp I don't even need to open FB/IG anymore. Bye Felica

Until they start to require Facebook to log into WhatsApp..

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Google ads is pretty bad too but facebook's business portal / ad manager / whatever they call it this week almost seems to be designed to be a nightmare to use on purpose. I sincerely hope a player comes along to disrupt this market with a product that is actually nice to use and offers decent customer support - these shouldn't be unrealistic wishes!

Haha, they AB tested on there "customers" to get them to overspend and dark patterned even the imperators salon. This is hellarious.

Actually I think this could be the reason. Given the sufficient number of A/B testing, it may turn out the more complex the interface is, the more likely the customer is likely to (make the mistake of) spending more.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac Your point is 100% valid, so don't consider this a disagreement. It is merely that McDonalds has changed, and it annoys me. I went to the one on El Camino near Oregon, and waited 7 minutes to have my order taken, and 14 minutes more for my food. Why? Doordash, and others. https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/doordash-to-penalize-mcdona…

I noticed the last time I went to a McDonalds a huge sign on the door advertising that they're on DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc., basically saying "don't come here!"

Really short term thinking if that's true. DoorDash/UberEats might not be around forever. Its also not clear whether people will order the same amounts if an actual recession rolls around.

By prioritizing DoorDash over in-store customers, you're just destroying your long-term value prop and brand.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

Maybe what someone should do is build a Social Network as a Service. SNaaS. Letting anyone run their own, and turning whatever features they want on or off. You as the service provider take a cut of advertising revenue, or subscription fees, etc.

I have an even better idea. How about creating a big network where everyone could have their little space and put whatever they want in it? The main method of content discovery would be by adding “links” to other people's places. Since it would be interconnected like a spider web, we could cáll it “the web” or something…

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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For me, a large majority of my friend/family updates come through group chats. I have 4 large (10+) groups that are friend groupings from different interest areas. Which use iMessage/WhatsApp/Signal 1 huge one for a group of concert/rave friends on Signal 3 overlapping groups of various family-relatives using iMessage/WhatsApp I don't even need to open FB/IG anymore. Bye Felica

Until they start to require Facebook to log into WhatsApp..

Then just leave for Telegram which is infinetly better (their native windows client is just incredible compared to the other atrocious electron based chat apps) or even better for Signal which is not as feature rich yet but open source.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac Your point is 100% valid, so don't consider this a disagreement. It is merely that McDonalds has changed, and it annoys me. I went to the one on El Camino near Oregon, and waited 7 minutes to have my order taken, and 14 minutes more for my food. Why? Doordash, and others. https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/doordash-to-penalize-mcdona…

With how much McDonalds has raised their prices in the last 2 years, I don’t understand how they can even be competitive on DoorDash. When I can get actual food for less money and the same exact effort, why eat McDonalds?

Until very recently I used to be able to get a full meal for ~$4, but now it’s hard to get out for under $12. The only reason to ever eat McDonalds at this point is the “it’s there” factor when I have left the house.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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I'll admit that I deleted my Facebook account years ago, and thus haven't seen what this redesign looks like, but this sounds like a baffling move. Facebook has been less and less popular with the younger crowd; and is now mainly associated as a place for older generations, who like use it primarily as a way to keep track of friends and family and secondarily as a way to see the news. I can't see the "Tiktok-ificatio…

basically the redesign is exactly the same as its always been, only they sexied up the lefthand column with friends, saved, pages, now marketplace is there because presumably a lot of people just use fb to sell or buy crap. The top bar with notifications got moved to the left hand side, and the chat window is expanded to the entire right third of the screen. It looks like any other electron-esque app now basically, and it takes longer to load to the point where they've added a splash screen. Every other item in your news feed is a sponsored post or something someone put up days ago versus the most recent content.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

>Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook

Not disputing that facebook is uniquely poison, but that's most sane users on social giants. Users of reddit and twitter specifically absolutely and openly loath them, users of instagram and linkedin are too stifled by the ultra-superficial cheeriness of the platforms to openly admit their hatred on the platform itself, but it's burning inside them quietly.

Socials are an amazing\terrifying experiments in how you can use the herd instincts of humans to hold them hostages against their will.

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