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Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

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Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

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Sometimes you just have to sue to enforce a contract and your rights. Many employees either don't realize this or they don't have the stomach for it. If you find yourself in this position, my advice is to play the game and see it through. 1. Don't resign, don't capitulate and hire a good lawyer immediately. If you don't have the cashflow, but are defending a huge pile of stock about to IPO you'll probably find a lawy…

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Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

#352

Sometimes you just have to sue to enforce a contract and your rights. Many employees either don't realize this or they don't have the stomach for it. If you find yourself in this position, my advice is to play the game and see it through. 1. Don't resign, don't capitulate and hire a good lawyer immediately. If you don't have the cashflow, but are defending a huge pile of stock about to IPO you'll probably find a lawy…

Why would someone want to work for a company where you have to sue to keep your job, though? That's the sad part. You could fight for your job, but then there would undoubtably be permanent and serious bad vibes in both directions.

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

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"If they do not agree to vest on termination then we go back to salary negotiation or I walk." So true. Expensive lesson for these folks.

Sometimes I pine for the good ol' days where this kind of unethical behavior would be met with a good old fashioned ass kicking.

It's only the olden days until someone goes ahead and takes a swing.

I had the exact same thought about the "fraudster holding the Occupy Boston d/b/a certificate hostage" story. Especially in that kind of ground-up, loosely-couples collective action scenario, how does overt bad acting not result in a Code Red at the food tent?

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

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How good of a job have they been doing so far?

I don't see how violence would be a better answer.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm saying that I won't be surprised if at some point people are going to start realizing that "being the better person" means they lose and the other party wins and that the establishment sides with the richest party.

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

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The thing that is not clear to me is why nobody has seen fit to call Fred Wilson out on this. For all of the "scruples beyond reproach" of what I think I know about Fred (and what I still hope to be true, despite this evidence), this one flies in the face of reasonable behavior. I doubt that something like this could (or should) be done so close to IPO that the board didn't know about it. I'm certain that Fred can't say anything today, due to the sensitivity of the timing, but that should not prevent people from asking the question - "where was the board in all this?".

Good God Fred, is this what a reasonably responsible company would do?

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

#356

With the unvested shares, the executives believed they could attract more top talent with the promise of stock. Not anymore they won't.

"Friends don't let friends work at Zynga" was something I heard floating around a while back...

I was told my many folks I respect that Zynga is a sweat shop, and discouraged me going there. Now, with the options scandal, Zynga shot themselves in their foot. What is surprising is, Bing Gordon is on KP's board and an honorable, great chap. Wonder why didn't he advise Pincus against this. Pincus openly admitted that Bing is a great friend and mentor. It is a poor reflection on KPCB, the venerable VC firm.

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

#357

The thing that is not clear to me is why nobody has seen fit to call Fred Wilson out on this. For all of the "scruples beyond reproach" of what I think I know about Fred (and what I still hope to be true, despite this evidence), this one flies in the face of reasonable behavior. I doubt that something like this could (or should) be done so close to IPO that the board didn't know about it. I'm certain that Fred can't…

I would add, Bing Gordon from KPCB, to this list. Why would KPCB want to tarnish their image like this.

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

#358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how violence would be a better answer.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm saying that I won't be surprised if at some point people are going to start realizing that "being the better person" means they lose and the other party wins and that the establishment sides with the richest party.

There was very smart advice being given somewhere else under this topic. Something like "Never do anything with people you wouldn't work with without a contract".

I'd never, ever, under no circumstances, do anything with Zynga without one. That pretty much says I'd never, ever, under no circumstances, deal with them.

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

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We have two option clawback stories in six months or so. These actions erode the trust relationship between entrepreneurs and the technical talent on which they depend. The expectation that startups will honor the options they give to the talent they hire is part of the social contract of the community. Reneging on that expectation will make talent wary of taking on the immense risk of working for or founding startup…

Is Skype the first one?

Re: Zynga to employees: Give back our stock or you'll be fired

#360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm saying that I won't be surprised if at some point people are going to start realizing that "being the better person" means they lose and the other party wins and that the establishment sides with the richest party.

There was very smart advice being given somewhere else under this topic. Something like "Never do anything with people you wouldn't work with without a contract". I'd never, ever, under no circumstances, do anything with Zynga without one. That pretty much says I'd never, ever, under no circumstances, deal with them.

Completely agree. It's a shame some people are so desperate for work they would even work for Zynga which is the startup equivalent to telemarketers.
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