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Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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This has been said about the EU, but the market has proven to just be too big to ignore. It could also be the reverse (see authoritarian countries), with international players leaving the market and local ones filling the space.

I don't see how these multinational companies like Apple, etc don't end up with their own armies again like age old.

Apple HIMARS -- the missile pods have rounded corners (but aren't compatible with NATO standards).

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Only until you discover kids selling "adult phones" in the playground at school. This is as much as a parent problem as content author of a internet website. My parents tried, they installed web filters, everything. I still got round them. I bought a BB gun at school, even a butterfly knife. I feel that it's education on how to use the internet that's missing. As well as finance.

Our system for our kids was no smart phone until ~14 and not taking it to bed until senior year. With all computers, each person has their own, in a shared family office. That and answering questions and talking to our kids about the internet, the good and the bad. No filters or other bullshit. So far (oldest is about to head to university) so good.

What exactly do you feel the need to protect them from?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Can someone explain why this won't result in a renaissance for peer to peer and e2e encrypted chat/forums/social media etc.? When government or industry makes it nearly impossible for consumer needs to be met we inevitably see a grey and black market spring up to meet those needs. My prediction is that if legislation like this becomes widespread we'll see a freely distributed application rise to prominence among a ga…

"We will just use technology to bypass this bad law" is a very convenient position for a technology-focused group to take. It feels weirdly privileged to just say "ah we will abdicate ourselves from the problem by using ever more complicated technology" rather than working to improve the legislation to benefit everyone.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Can someone explain why this won't result in a renaissance for peer to peer and e2e encrypted chat/forums/social media etc.? When government or industry makes it nearly impossible for consumer needs to be met we inevitably see a grey and black market spring up to meet those needs. My prediction is that if legislation like this becomes widespread we'll see a freely distributed application rise to prominence among a ga…

I certainly hope something results in a renaissance of truly private social spaces.

Yes there were risks, but zero oversight is how we built the internet byte by byte.

Anyone know if that “two computers talking directly to each other” patent has expired yet? Hard for companies to make those apps while patent-encumbered

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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If UK government really cared about children, and not about surveillance and censorship, they would solve the problem another way. The only way protect children online is to ban them from Internet. Children should not have access to normal laptops and smartphones, instead they should use "kid phones". Such phones would allow children to communicate only with people approved by parents or teachers and visit only appro…

The problem I see with this is you are disadvantaged from your peers if you're the only kid without access to the internet. You can't just shield your specific kid from the world and then they go to school and their friends all show them tiktok/4chan/porn/gore/whatever. We've crossed this line already, the internet is out there and everyone can access everything. Instead of being regressive and focusing on futile eff…

If ArkAngel were a real product and not just something from black mirror I bet we'd be seeing the same arguments in favor of it as above. Funny thing is, even in the fictional show they were aware enough that kids were sharing all the the crazy stuff they saw and the girl was just ostracized when she couldn't see it.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Very few websites comply with GDPR. Based on recent interpretations, it's essentially impossible for any US-owned or US-hosted site to comply with GDPR. The EU is just being extremely selective about its enforcement. If they ever decided to follow the law to the letter, most of the Internet would have to disconnect the EU. Theoretically the EU could make clones of all international sites like China has with Baidu and…

> Theoretically the EU could make clones of all international sites like China has with Baidu and Weibo, but it's hard to see how that would be good for them. We would have real privacy protection, and presumably in the very long term we'd see the benefits of that (more creative new ideas coming out of the EU, wealthy people preferring to live in the EU...).

> wealthy people preferring to live in the EU

Wealthy people care a lot more about taxes than vague notions of privacy protection.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Brits don't have freedom of speech AFIK. it was never in their social contract.

Err... you might want to give the ECHR a read, and in particular Article 10.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/8KMsE7YCsR3t/

When this video is a criminal offence in the UK, you don't have freedom of speech.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Can someone explain why this won't result in a renaissance for peer to peer and e2e encrypted chat/forums/social media etc.? When government or industry makes it nearly impossible for consumer needs to be met we inevitably see a grey and black market spring up to meet those needs. My prediction is that if legislation like this becomes widespread we'll see a freely distributed application rise to prominence among a ga…

"We will just use technology to bypass this bad law" is a very convenient position for a technology-focused group to take. It feels weirdly privileged to just say "ah we will abdicate ourselves from the problem by using ever more complicated technology" rather than working to improve the legislation to benefit everyone.

Sometimes technology is the way out. Sometimes the only way to fix the system is to create an alternative that circumvents it. Tools matter.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been said about the EU, but the market has proven to just be too big to ignore. It could also be the reverse (see authoritarian countries), with international players leaving the market and local ones filling the space.

Very few websites comply with GDPR. Based on recent interpretations, it's essentially impossible for any US-owned or US-hosted site to comply with GDPR. The EU is just being extremely selective about its enforcement. If they ever decided to follow the law to the letter, most of the Internet would have to disconnect the EU. Theoretically the EU could make clones of all international sites like China has with Baidu and…

> If they ever decided to follow the law to the letter, most of the Internet would have to disconnect the EU.

Or those sites would have to comply with GDPR. Why is that not an option?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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If UK government really cared about children, and not about surveillance and censorship, they would solve the problem another way. The only way protect children online is to ban them from Internet. Children should not have access to normal laptops and smartphones, instead they should use "kid phones". Such phones would allow children to communicate only with people approved by parents or teachers and visit only appro…

I mean, when I was like 12 my friends and I got on BBS's and started to see naked pictures of beautiful women for the first time around 1991-ish. I mean at that point my computer was even more "adult" than my parent's usage of computers. And yeah on AOL there were people that "lived near by and could hang out some time" but I already knew what a creep was... so.. why are kids these days so stupid? Is it because we tr…

As a parent, I don't think kids these days are any stupider. The tech has gotten easier for both good and nefarious purposes, and IMO the education around it has kept up. I think it's FUD that's leveraged (deliberately or otherwise) to influence and gain authority, more than anything.

I'm certainly biased as a more technical parent than most, but I don't think the average layperson knows that much less about the risks. If anything it's shouted from the news any time something remotely internet related happens, and people notice, because it plays on a pretty fundamental fear. I think awareness is up (not always in a good way) more than anything. There's a balance to strike between trying to make things safer and just teaching kids to navigate dangers that will always be there (and always be changing) and I tend to think these laws are a step or so too far into diminishing returns on making things safer. Even then, that's assuming we can even agree what safer means.

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