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Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by danuker »

skohan wrote: post #165
jstx1 wrote: post #2

It's what kickstarted Electron which eventually gave us VSCode, Slack, and lots of HN comments about memory usage. It also had the sweetest default theme of any code editor. RIP.

Electron is both an amazing enabling technology, and also an artifact of the sad state of affairs for computing platforms. One could imagine a world where strong standards have been established which would allow you to easily deploy lean native applications across a wide variety of platforms. Instead we ended up in this bizzare world where if you want to maintain a desktop GUI app, you either need a large team to sup…

> One could imagine a world where strong standards have been established which would allow you to easily deploy lean native applications across a wide variety of platforms.

Here is a unified binary format that can run on Linux, MacOS, Windows, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD too. They also boot from the BIOS.

But it doesn't support GUIs (yet?).

https://justine.lol/ape.html

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by shakow »

quaunaut wrote: post #286
aniforprez wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the killer thing that VSCode has over all the other editors is the wealth of extensions and a certain degree of simplicity. What are your plans for Zed in terms of extensibility and are you aligning more towards making something beefy and full-featured like the IntelliJ offerings or something more "lightweight" like VSCode or Sublime?

Atom practically invented the kind of extensions that VSCode had, and even several years into VSCode's life Atom far outstripped it in Extensions. Perf became the biggest problem however, which VSCode took over.

> Atom practically invented the kind of extensions that VSCode had

Let me introduce you to Emacs, vim, Sublime, TextMate, ...

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by Mo3 »

pornel wrote: post #274
joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

I use Sublime Text, but it has its own issues with Python fragility and needing tweaks to plug-in's config files more than I'd like, so I'll probably switch to VSCode eventually. Java IDEs seem to be living in their own world, but for everything else VSCode works well thanks to LSP. For example rust-analyzer works best with VSCode, and this makes VSCode the best Rust IDE.

Same here, was a very happy Sublime Text user for years - much faster and less memory intensive than VSCode, but recently switched over because of all the tweaking required.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by bastardoperator »

joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

I purchased pycharm, couldn't stand it, logged bugs that are still open from over 5 years ago coupled with the fact I didn't see any immediate benefits coming from vim and vscode. I would never deploy from an ide, and I'm willing to make a small investment when it comes to my tools and productivity.

Also, as of lately, copilot is saving me an insane amount of time especially when it comes to boilerplate and testing.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by nathansobo »

polutropos wrote: post #341
nathansobo wrote: post #253

Founder of Atom here. We're building the spiritual successor to Atom over at https://zed.dev . We learned a lot with Atom and had a great time, but it always fell short of our vision. With Zed we're going to get it right. Written in Rust, custom native UI framework, engineered to be collaborative. Just starting our private alpha this week, so the timing of this announcement feels quite fitting. Here's a talk I gave l…

Any screenshots to share?

Here's a demo from a talk a give not too long ago:

https://youtu.be/wXT73bBr83s?list=PL3TSF5whlprXqwYNIM0X8mBzu...

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by emerongi »

taude wrote: post #156
tediousdemise wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When this inevitably happens to VSCode, I'm sure we'll all flock to Sublime Text in droves (or some hip new editor on the block). Contingency planning for this could be a small but wise time investment for dependent teams. VSCode could very well go the way of the Do... Docker.

Sounds like premature optimization. I'd actually worry if the engineers I work with couldn't pick up a new IDE/text editor, etc. pretty easily and quickly, if and when something like this happens. And I'd say the risk of it happening in the next three to five years is pretty minimal at this point.

> I'd actually worry if the engineers I work with couldn't pick up a new IDE/text editor, etc. pretty easily and quickly

Once you start making full use of your editor, switching to a new one and reaching the same level of proficiency takes a long time. I can edit code even in notepad, but I can't ever be as fluid in it as my main editor. I've changed my editor multiple times and it's a huge pain every time.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by jimnotgym »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #202
civilized wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub is owned by Microsoft, the company that invented "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". We should be counting down the days till they sunset VS Code to focus on VS Code "Pro".

I know that perception of Microsoft will never go away in the open source community, and maybe it shouldn’t, although I’m not convinced Microsoft of 2022 is particularly worse (or particularly better) than most other companies operating simultaneously in open source and proprietary spaces. The context of “embrace, extend and extinguish” has kind of been diffused over the years, though; it never meant “buy a product a…

> If it has a great story for deploying to Azure, then maybe you’ll be more likely to deploy to Azure

This. Microsoft share price depends on the size of their recurring revenue from cloud. They can easily write off a few million on VScode for bringing more users to Azure

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by sdfhdhjdw3 »

nathansobo wrote: post #253

Founder of Atom here. We're building the spiritual successor to Atom over at https://zed.dev . We learned a lot with Atom and had a great time, but it always fell short of our vision. With Zed we're going to get it right. Written in Rust, custom native UI framework, engineered to be collaborative. Just starting our private alpha this week, so the timing of this announcement feels quite fitting. Here's a talk I gave l…

Humble question, I don't mean to sound confrontational, I ask of genuine curiosity: Why not contribute to VS Code instead?

For Julia, Atom+Juno was excellent. It was the first time I could select+run on a proper IDE (I was coming from python+notebook). To me this was revolutionary. Then I discovered VS Code, so Atom+Juno stopped making sense. You seem to be a very competent developer, so why not just contribute to VS Code?

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by edgyquant »

IncRnd wrote: post #232
edgyquant wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would this happen to VsCode? VSCode is a proprietary form of Atom is not? It’s hugely successful Microsoft would never do such a thing.

The codebases of VS Code and Atom are unrelated to each other.

Indeed. At least I’m not the first person to make this mistake

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9872976

https://thenextweb.com/news/microsofts-cross-platform-visual...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17221917

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