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Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

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Re: Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

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If we're going to shit on crypto, can we at least be accurate in our statements. The validators of the Terra chain halted it. There's no switch that Kwon as an individual can flip.

How were multiple validators coordinated to switch the chain off? When we say Putin can press the red button obviously we don't mean a physical red button pressed by Putin himself. But he is the one coordinating.

There's many channels/groups where the validators coordinate and communicate for all kinds of chain related activities, tasks, upgrades, etc.

Actually, the Putin analogy is basically exactly what happens. Putin pushed the "red button" and everything else is a direct consequence.

That's not how it works with validator based PoS chains. Absolutely Kwon can "suggest" to do something, but has no omnipotent influence or control unlike your Putin analogy.

Validators are absolutely free to discuss, debate, and agree to whatever they think is best. Additionally, the validators in the active set with this power are put there mostly by the community of token holders.

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What’s truly decentralised? Miners are increasingly centralised and can effectively block/ignore transactions if they like. They may conceivably end up compelled to blacklist certain wallets, as some exchanges already do. And that’s before we get to stuff like Luna, where the decentralised authorities took the centralised action of halting the chain entirely

I'm curious what makes this a centralized action? Many independent (decentralized?) entities debated and used social consensus to come to the decision to halt the chain to isolate further potential damage. Like them or hate them, I'm intrigued where the centralized line in the sand was crossed

A relatively small group of powerful people shut the chain down. This was not a consensus action amongst token holders, network users or any other group, their consent was not required. Power is held by this group of (130?) people, it seems pretty centralised to me, basically an oligarchy.

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Not if we dont even know what it is backed by, readily convertible one minute, can't dump it for $.01 the next once it happens.

Please tell me this is a joke. The fact tether trades readily on an exchange is a major factor for it being convertible, even if at a price you don’t like.

>>tether trades readily on an exchange is a major factor for it being convertible

... for now

We've seen lots of the crypto exchanges fail to make exchanges for hours to days when things get hot

Official stock exchanges have a standard practice of halting trading in stocks when unusual events happen. Sometimes this cools the market and things get back to normal, sometimes the thing has gone to zero when

If Tether crashes to $0.01, I'd be a bit surprised if it didn't stop being convertible for a significant time.

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Oh it’s even worse. For a while now some[0] have suggested part of the backing is in bonds issues by Chinese real estate companies [0] https://twitter.com/thelastbearsta1/status/14690072004965908...

This comes from the rumor that the commercial paper is from China. What I find more believable is the commercial paper is actually from crypto hedge funds and exchanges incorporated in Hong Kong.[0] [0] - https://protos.com/tether-papers-crypto-stablecoin-usdt-inve...

So tether could be theoretically backed by...bitcoin?

Re: Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

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Properly unregulated banks are actually less likely to experience runs. Backing by USD is not required. As you say, anything they can liquidate is good. Doesn't have to be USD. This works best when you are over-capitalised, ie when you have a thick equity cushion, so that when your assets go down in terms of USD, you still have enough balance sheet assets left to cover all your USD obligations. You are right that try…

Being stable just gives it a certain risk profile: regular profits, with a chance of occasional apocalypse. Modest, of course, relative to the sum "under management." Two-and-twenty. The kind of game we've been known to lose. I don't think it really matters what the underlying assets are. Once the bank runs, it'll probably run dry. "Equity cushions" don't work. The banks own shares suck as a hedge against a run. Asse…

I'm not sure you understand how an equity cushion works.

Suppose you start a company with 1,000 kg of gold. No other assets, no liabilities. Currently, that gold is worth about 60 million USD.

Now you issue 1,000,000 'stable' tokens. Each can be redeemed for one USD. For simplicity, assume that you just give them away.

At current gold prices, your tokens are 60x over-capitalised. If the gold price collapses 90%, your tokens are still 6x over-capitalised. That's what I mean by an equity cushion.

A 'run' is everyone trying to redeem their tokens. If that happens, you just sell one million dollars worth of gold, and pay that obligation. You are not running out of anything here.

In historical practice in eg Scotland, the banks that issued private bank notes there kept an equity cushion of about 30% around. That means for every 70 pounds in liabilities, they had 100 pounds of assets on their balance sheet. (For comparison, in our example of 60x over-capitalisation, that's an equity cushion of 59/60 = ~98%. Or for the 6x over-capitalisation, it's 5/6 = ~83%.)

It's called an equity cushion, because on a balance sheet the excess of assets shows up at equity.

That equity on the books is very different from the banks shares. It's the difference between 'book value' and 'market value'. See https://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile... for a table with price-to-book-values (PBV). You can also look up that value for any specific firm online.

> I don't think it really matters what the underlying assets are. Once the bank runs, it'll probably run dry.

That might be true in the most trivial sense: if a bank has plenty of underlying assets, like our example that was 6-60x over-capitalised, there will never be a run. So the 'once the bank runs' condition would never happen.

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Technical detail: I completely avoided the question of reserves here. Mostly, because it's not actually very interesting. The bank will keep some reserves on hand, so that they can pay out routine redemptions immediately. They would be well advanced to follow the role model of the Scottish banks: their notes came with an 'option clause'.

The 'option clause' says that the bank can either redeem notes right away at par, or they can opt to 'pay' with a super-senior IOU that accumulates a punitive interest rate but that the bank can choose to pay back any time.

That option gives the bank time to liquidate assets, if they ever ran out of reserves. The punitive interest rate re-assures customers that the bank would not abuse that privilege it willy-nilly.

(Of course, that mechanism only helps with illiquidity. It does not protect against insolvency. But that's fine: it's better for the economy when insolvent companies cease operations.)

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> You can actually interact with some crypto projects over SMS Keyword: some. Also, banking over SMS was a thing long before crypto. > But actually smart phones and internet access is surprisingly high in sub Saharan africa where they primarily still use SMS trading. Then it will be swallowed by something smilar to AliPay. Not by crypto.

How do you sign up to AliPay?

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it always comes back to the same argument: crypto is bad because a couple centralized companies handle this all for us just fine, and people in some countries already have great interbank transfers. also please lose the ad hominem, it is not needed.

> it always comes back to the same argument: crypto is bad because

No it always comes to the same argument: crypto bros argue that traditional finance is bad and their claims get refuted again, and again, and again, until they fall back to the same old tired "but what of the unbanked?!"

No. Crypto will not save the unbanked.

> also please lose the ad hominem, it is not needed.

There was literally no ad hominem.

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Going to Circle to redeem your USDC for FIAT USD is not the only way of receiving FIAT USD from USDC. You can also sell it for another asset, and sell that for FIAT. Or sell it for FIAT on an exchange. The OP was about the safety of "holding" fiat on a single exchange vs USDC on your wallet. Your point about non-custodial wallet risk is a misonemer as this is purely about can you trust yourself more than trust an exc…

I don't think you understand how a currency peg works. If USDC loses the peg, arbitrageurs will buy USDC and redeem them, pocketing the difference. This will create a buying pressure that will re-establish the peg. Therefore maintaining the peg depends crucially on the issuer's ability to redeem USDC. If the issuer fails to redeem USDC, it's game over. The point that I made about the risks associated with using non-c…

I don't think you understand how USDC's redempetion works. It's not a website accessible by anyone open for redemptions 24/7. Read on that first before discussing this topic please.

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I don't think you understand how a currency peg works. If USDC loses the peg, arbitrageurs will buy USDC and redeem them, pocketing the difference. This will create a buying pressure that will re-establish the peg. Therefore maintaining the peg depends crucially on the issuer's ability to redeem USDC. If the issuer fails to redeem USDC, it's game over. The point that I made about the risks associated with using non-c…

I don't think you understand how USDC's redempetion works. It's not a website accessible by anyone open for redemptions 24/7. Read on that first before discussing this topic please.

And this matters why? Being an economist, I think I know how a currency peg works, but if you think I'm wrong feel free to explain it to me.

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How do you sign up to AliPay?

Quote, emphasis mine: "Something similar to AliPay"

Crypto adoption is rising pretty fast in these places. I know you dislike that, but it’s a fact - the tech does work for those usecases. SMS is factually less useful than crypto, there are cash onramps available in the most obscure places, and it helps remittance payments that something similar to AliPay doesn’t. Almost any company that comes into this space has to follow KYC which is basically impossible for the cash societies without these necessary docs. If you look into this, such as the Gates Foundations research on payments and remittance in bankless societies, you’d see that crypto is a great solution. There’s a whole world out there in the crypto sphere outside of shitty NFTs and scams :)
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