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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by happymellon »

ulkesh wrote: post #342
happymellon wrote: post #336

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True, if you are trying to emulate an entire cluster of servers on your laptop you are in for a bad time.

I’ve done that! But I also have 32GB RAM in my machine :) I want 64 GB but I will say for my current needs, 32 GB is the sweet spot. My normal daily use is around 20GB. And it is a MacBook Pro. One day I’ll probably go back to a laptop running Linux. It is the fastest for code compilation in my experience.

Using Linux on a desktop workstation, I'm normally able to get by with half the amount of RAM that my Macbook requires for the same activity. Probably because I'm not having to run MacOS and Linux at the same time to pretend that I'm not running Linux.

But it's not just memory, I find running code on MacOS generates a lot more heat causing the CPU to spike and harder to run in the first place.

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Post by toastal »

indymike wrote: post #181
macNchz wrote: post #170

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There are a lot of people using virtualized development environments, which can make it much simpler to run a production-like system locally. I’m pretty sure 16gb machines have been the baseline for developers everywhere I’ve worked for the past decade.

>There are a lot of people using virtualized development environments, which can make it much simpler to run a production-like system locally. When running Linux, you do not incur the VM overhead for containers (Docker) that you do on Mac or Windows. This allows for isolated production like environments, without carving out multi GB chunks of RAM. Additionally, if you are targeting Linux for production, you often don…

And you don't have to incur the container overheads if you switched to Nix

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by toastal »

freeAgent wrote: post #322
messe wrote: post #19

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I believe Pop!_OS is based on GNOME, which handles fractional scaling in the same way as macOS, by rendering the UI at 2x and then scaling down. In my experience with macOS, this is good enough for ~95% of cases (I've run into issues with image editing and pixel art). It hurts battery life, but... this is a developer laptop: make it a bit thicker, and give it as much battery as you legally can. EDIT: If you're going…

Not downvoting, but it’s problematic on Linux when you hook up a second display at different scaling/resolution. Whenever I’m in Linux in my home office, I regret having 4K monitors that require scaling to be readable.

This is one of the advantages of Wayland

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

pooper wrote: post #189
suprjami wrote: post #131

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Insert is on F10. Maybe the Function keys are hidden behind Fn, pretty common on laptops and compact discrete keyboards these days. Keep in mind your X1 was at least twice the price of this thing (honestly I feel they are overpriced, Asus do literally the same thing for $1k less)

> Keep in mind your X1 was at least twice the price of this thing (honestly I feel they are overpriced, Asus do literally the same thing for $1k less) You cannot look at Lenovo sticker price. My conspiracy theory is it exists for the same reason Azure sticker price does: to give procurement managers something to do. My understanding is almost nobody pays sticker on either.

I paid the advertised, full-sticker prices for my ThinkPads and my SaaS biz' Azure subscription. So that's painful to hear.

I know with Dell it's just a matter of tracking down an account-executive who can negotiate 10-15% discounts, even for one-off orders, but I haven't been able to do that with Lenovo yet. As for Azure: our spend is well under 6-figures/yr (I think $20k right now?), so we don't have a (named) account-manager yet (we do get personal emails from rotating account-execs once every quarter, but they don't seem keen on saving us money...)

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by julianlam »

Kwpolska wrote: post #299
julianlam wrote: post #119

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I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

What’s your full tech stack and OS, and how much swap/pagefile do you have? My personal Windows machine has 8 GiB, and it’s quite easy to fill it up by just running Firefox (with far too many tabs) and WSL, let alone an IDE.

AMD Ryzen 3, running Pop!_OS, 8gb ram, 16 GB swap.

Perhaps it's a windows thing?

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Post by throwaway5959 »

lrvick wrote: post #302
bscphil wrote: post #292

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That's completely irrelevant to the question of whether it's a good value for the money.

I consider $6000 good value for a Raptor Engineering Talos II workstation because it is US made and you actually own every part of it down to the firmware and schematics. Freedom is value.

You and the five others that buy one can keep buying them then. Most people don’t have $6k to spend on a computer.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by throwaway5959 »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #169
ramesh31 wrote: post #153

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>Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license. A new M1 Macbook Air starts at $999, and will put that Ryzen to shame. Not to mention infinitely better build quality and battery life. Apple has always been a great value for the price, even if that price is slightly higher than the bargain bin stuff.

My Ryzen puts that M1 to shame since it can run any Linux distro with full graphics acceleration natively. An M1 can't even do that yet.

Most people just don’t care about that.

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Post by itomato »

wolverine876 wrote: post #345
itomato wrote: post #338

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Your hands are offset relative to the screen. My posture follows, and it’s a drag.

Have you given it a try? I used to think that and avoided off-center keyboards, but I ended up with one and it wasn't a problem. YMMV.

Yep. It annoys me like driving a GM parts bin car with off-center controls
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