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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by theferalrobot »

nrp wrote: post #98
justin66 wrote: post #72

> We’ve redesigned our lid assembly for significantly improved rigidity They should make this part available to existing users as a warranty replacement. It sounds like they've addressed a common complaint on their support forums. The lid that flops over because of the hinge's weakness, and the absurd excuses made by company personnel (they claim it was designed this way "to accommodate opening the laptop with one ha…

If the lid drops when the laptop is stationary, the hinge is out of spec and we'll send you a replacement through our support channel.

What if our replacement hinges are dropping when stationary too?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by csdvrx »

nrp wrote: post #21
travisby wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The standby performance was what kept me from buying a previous gen frame.work despite loving the mission and wanting to support y'all. I was holding my time until either the efficiency cores came along (if that has any improvement in standby? I'm not even sure) or if you ended up making AMD where I believe S3 sleep states still exist. Very exciting to hear there's an improvement in this generation. Is that improveme…

This is a combination of hardware and firmware improvements by both Intel on 12th Gen Intel Core generally and us on the Framework Laptop specifically. This is with s0ix standby, and we see ~0.4%/hour typically in Fedora 36 on 5.17.6 with the settings in our setup guide: . https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Fedora+36+Installation+on+th...

> This is a combination of hardware and firmware improvements by both Intel on 12th Gen Intel Core generally and us on the Framework Laptop specifically. This is with s0ix standby, and we see ~0.4%/hour typically in Fedora 36 on 5.17.6 with the settings in our setup guide

For reference, on a Intel 11th Gen Lakefield (Lenovo X1 Fold), using a Vanilla Windows 11 Pro with the non-Lenovo Intel GPU driver downloaded from Intel Driver & Support Assistant, given the results of powercfg /sleepstudy I get a 6% of drain for 9h54 min (so about 10h) therefore 0.6%/hour in "disconnected" (no wifi activity) S0ix standby.

Before, with the official Lenovo driver, it was 0.5%/h (4h: 2% drain). I was hoping to get better results, but this isn't so bad with about 0 optimization!

S0ix has gone a long way, in both Linux and Windows.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by TillE »

reaperducer wrote: post #292
loginatnine wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll copy paste a comment I made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096793 but I'm also guessing logistics. They gave a IMO good overview of the difficulties of selling to a new country in a previous post : > With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you’re outside of the US and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, whi…

A lot of that sounds like legal and paperwork problems. I thought the whole point of the E.U. was to break down those cross-border paint points. Or is it still a work in progress? Can an E.U. person say if this is going to change?

The EU means it would be entirely legal and tariff-free for a company in France to ship a product to Spain as-is, with minimal caveats. But that won't be a desirable product for most Spanish customers.

The vast majority of that list has nothing to do with laws, but with physical requirements (keyboard and power plug), payments (not standardized beyond bank transfers), localization, and logistics.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by freemint »

noveltyaccount wrote: post #168

Framework team, I know you hang out here... I'd love a touchscreen+stylus digitizer model with 360° hinge. My Lenovo yoga need a replacement!

Digitizers are really expensive. I am not sure if Framework is big enough to handle this. Just buy a snall wacom tablet and put it next to the laptop that also works.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by wollsmoth »

kibwen wrote: post #347
wollsmoth wrote: post #341

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You can basically do this with macs if you still use the usb-c charger. Even with the new ones they still charge through those ports on either side. But yeah, being able to swap those ports is great. I'm feeling the pain of having only 1 hdmi out on my laptop and the ability to just add one on sounds amazing.

Do Macs still favor charging via the USB-C ports on the right side? IIRC charging on the left caused overheating/throttling. I'd be interested to know if the Framework also favors a specific port for charging.

Oh Idk actually. I was happy to learn it still works on the magsafe ones so I can still use the old charger though.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by sryie »

reaperducer wrote: post #288
sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

have not had any issues with battery life Looks like it can be charged from any USB-C port you install in it. Much better than my work-assigned ThinkPad, which only allows charging through one specific port. As if everyone on the planet has their wall plug in the same location.

Yeah, that is a nice feature. I put USB c ports on both sides so I can plug it in based on where an outlet is relative to where I'm sitting.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by schmorptron »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Wow, that's quite a price jump from the i5 to the i7 and then subsequently to the 6 core one. Could you talk a bit about the economics of having hotter / higher end chips in a notebook and whether there are other non-obvious cost increases to them? Are the higher end models "subsidizing" the lower end one, or is there motherboard / chipset upgrades that need to happen as a result?

Really like the laptop though, and it's a close contender when it's my time to upgrade... :)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

TillE wrote: post #353
reaperducer wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of that sounds like legal and paperwork problems. I thought the whole point of the E.U. was to break down those cross-border paint points. Or is it still a work in progress? Can an E.U. person say if this is going to change?

The EU means it would be entirely legal and tariff-free for a company in France to ship a product to Spain as-is, with minimal caveats. But that won't be a desirable product for most Spanish customers. The vast majority of that list has nothing to do with laws, but with physical requirements (keyboard and power plug), payments (not standardized beyond bank transfers), localization, and logistics.

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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by tadfisher »

pkulak wrote: post #228
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

It's possible for an OS to support fractional scaling properly; just tell applications to render their windows 1.5 times larger, map the inputs properly, and turn off font anti-aliasing. The problem is that it requires every app to be updated, which hasn't happened everywhere yet. Android and iOS, for example, do it perfectly. So does ChromeOS.

Even Android maps "1dp" to a non-integer number of pixels on most displays.

It looks "perfect" because of a combination of anti-aliasing and high density. But zoom in on a repeating pattern of 1dp lines, and you will see that some are aliased and some are not if your display's density is not an integer multiple of 160dpi (mdpi).

But Android can do this everywhere because everything draws to a Skia canvas under the hood (well, HWComposer/SurfaceFlinger, but basically Skia). Desktop operating systems don't have the same luxury. MacOS and Gnome render at 2x and downscale the entire frame, which produces decent results on high-density displays but look blurry otherwise. I have no idea what Windows does but it sounds like it's a mess.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by larelogio »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #344
mhitza wrote: post #216

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What do you mean by "Amazon is not available in all EU countries". Do you mean like a country specific TLD? Because that is true, but order and delivery is not a problem from any EU country as far as I know.

A couple years ago it wasn't available in Portugal, don't know if it's changed.

amazon.es is the portal for Portugal, there is not a .pt
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