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What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by wonderwonder »

lolinder wrote: post #340
wonderwonder wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, minimum wage is not the $15 an hour that Amazon pays, its half that.

But $15/hr isn't the median household income either. In 2020, the median was $67k. https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-27...

Very true, but individual income in the US is being discussed. $15 an hour translates to ~31,200 a year. A household consisting of a married couple or just 2 people living together both earning $15 an hour is $62,400. Pretty close to the median.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by gruez »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #312
antifa wrote: post #200

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I can't believe people are so detached from reality that they feel entitled to live within driving distance of their job...

In Europe, you could easily get that, except the car or driving part.

At half/third of the salary maybe.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

rtlfe wrote: post #300
nameisname wrote: post #231

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It's not the wage that needs to change it would be the prices of housing in the city. This can't change because it's not determined by some governing body. It's called gentrification. It's currently happening to me. I could not afford to buy my house now and I just bought it a few years ago. Of course there still needs to be staff in the area working retail etc. but I haven't seen anyone over 25 in a store near me fo…

> This can't change because it's not determined by some governing body. It actually is. Rents are expensive because zoning laws severely limit density and require lots of car parking.

The parking requirement is just a symptom. The problem is everyone with some stupid pet interest tries to use the zoning code or other local laws as a backhanded way of legislating a monetary bar to entry. They don't want triple deckers, they want classy luxury apartments. They don't want a distribution center. They want a white collar office park. They don't want industry and jobs, they want high end retail and dining. But you can't go from suburbia to downtown without the middle steps so of course no meaningful development happens.

If we just respected property owner's rights to do as they see fit we wouldn't have these problems or not nearly to the same extent.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by crate_barre »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #267
crate_barre wrote: post #5

Any job that doesn’t holistically build your skill set (antithetical to a career). As in, the money is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If you stock Shampoo on a shelf, and you can’t flip that into something useful, it’s a worthless job. It’s better to get paid $0 being in the right field for a bit than actually being paid in the wrong path. It’s negative money unless you are using it to pivot into the right…

Even with STEM degrees, you're making a bet on the state of the job market in four years. If you can self-teach how to program, the degree is more of a compliance checkbox to get into your first job easier, even if it is directly to do with computers.

Enumerate the STEM jobs that won’t create a life for you.

Go. To. Medical. School.

Stop thinking a Bachelors in STEM is enough. It’s a not a bet. The literally moronic other majors half of you pick is a bet. I’ve seen all of your resumes and there is literally totally dumbfounded major choices.

In fact, I’ll go as far as to say web development will create less of a life for you long term than most other STEMs. People in serious STEM majors just don’t want to put the work into post-bachelors education and cop out. We all know this.

Re: What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by lisper »

giantg2 wrote: post #336
lisper wrote: post #254

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I've had first-hand experience with this but in the opposite direction. Had a cop cut me a break on a ticket and charge me with a lesser offense than the one I actually committed. When I went to pay the fine (this was a long time ago, before the internet) I was told the ticket hadn't been filed and so there was no fine to pay. Fast forward a year and I get a court summons for this ticket. At this point I'm annoyed en…

"I've had first-hand experience with this but in the opposite direction." I think it's the same direction, unless I'm missing something. Magistrates don't have to have a law degree nor pass the Bar. They tend to be very incompetent considering that they are the ones deciding the initial hearing for misdemeanors and felonies (although most of the time they deal with more minor things). I asked a magistrate to dismiss…

> I think it's the same direction,

Yeah, it depends on how you look at it. I was thinking about this:

> I've had prosecutors and police know that our rights were violated as part of a citation. They did not care.

In my case it's, "I had a cop decide not to cite me for violations of the law that I actually committed, only to turn around and railroad me for a less serious violation that he could not possibly have known whether I actually committed or not."

My point was just that net-net the system worked to my benefit despite the fact that my ostensible rights were violated.

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Post by giantg2 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #288
sandworm101 wrote: post #259

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>> Then the magistrate asks me point-blank if I was guilty. I take the fifth. That's not the fifth. Pleading not guilty isn't considered a statement or an admission of anything. Nor can it be held against you in any way. We don't double down by charging every guilty party with "perjury" because they lost. That was done away with centuries ago.

Yes...I'm confused about OPs story because, as far as I know, you can't just plead the 5th at various parts of a trial where it is not relevant. The judge would generally not move on until you plead something. Or they would hold you in contempt if you refuse to plead guilty/not guilty/alford/nolo contendere etc

Well, it's a magistrate. They tend to not know/follow the laws/rules in my experience. They aren't even required to have a law degree or even pass the Bar. I think in my state they only require 40 hours of training.

Based on their other comment it sounds like they said they didn't remember when asked by the magistrate if they committed the act, which isn't the same as invoking the fifth. Thwy also said they were able to prove the officer couldn't have witnessed the act they were testifying about. Then the magistrate found them guilty (based on false testimony?).

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

rtlfe wrote: post #303
Jensson wrote: post #247

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If a city has 1 million jobs but only homes for 800k workers, then you will always have 200k workers who are priced out of homes. Or if you do it the communist way and assign homes with arbitrary price ceilings, you still have 200k people without homes although now it is the 200k most recent immigrants and not the 200k poorest, but the problem is still there. So what do you suggest we do about that except build more…

> So what do you suggest we do about that except build more homes? Why are you trying to make this complicated? Just get rid of density caps so that developers build more apartments. Problem solved with zero cost to taxpayers.

>Why are you trying to make this complicated? Just get rid of density caps so that developers build more apartments. Problem solved with zero cost to taxpayers.

Because "better a thousand rental units go un-built than let one slum lord construct a substandard basement apartment" or some other garbage like that.

Basically people keep trying to set a quality floor that society mostly isn't rich enough to afford and most land can't be developed enough to justify then acts surprised when the actual densification that happens is only a slow trickle.

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Post by BobbyJo »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #324
BobbyJo wrote: post #308

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The part that gets me is the 'modern'. There have been periods where things were somewhat easier in certain regards, but those aren't the norm and were for unsustainable reasons. The US had a nice honeymoon period after WW2 where our position as the world's factory and plentiful natural resources afforded food and housing to be cheap. Young people look around and think things are harder now than they've ever been and…

You'd actually have to accumulate everything before being able to make an absolute statement such as "Young people look around and think things are harder now than they've ever been and it's simply not true" (rather, them having it worse than those before them). I don't know how people can make this statement in such absolute terms, while at best their arguments are "well Y is worse, but X is better!" Let's not forge…

I'm actually not super clear on wat you are saying, but I'll try to respond.

> You'd actually have to accumulate everything before being able to make an absolute statement such as "Young people look around and think things are harder now than they've ever been and it's simply not true"

That's not an absolute. I did not say "All young people". I said "Young people". There are definitely young people who believe the US, and some the western world in general, is on some wild decline from a golden age where everyone with an entry level job owned a house at 25. Just look at Reddit (assuming it isn't trolls astroturfing that is).

> I don't know how people can make this statement in such absolute terms, while at best their arguments are "well Y is worse, but X is better!"

I'm actually not sure what you're saying here.

> Let's not forget "young people" still have to live to see their retirement years.

Here too. Are you pointing out young people need to save for retirement? That isn't new. My grandfather was employed his entire adult life and only one of his (out of 6 or 7) jobs came with a pension (which he didn't get). Likewise with my mother.

No one in my extended family, old or middle aged, has a pension, and very few have significant savings.

> At least for someone outside the US, I don't expect to see most of my taxes funding the elderly's retirement returned by future generations (nor do I want that, for that matter).

It's not really feasible even if we wanted it. And it shouldn't be necessary. That is a very long, very separate conversation though, as my the point of my comment lies elsewhere.

> Nor is it very fruitful to have this measuring contest when it is evident several things have gotten worse for no other reason than greed.

This was the intent of statement actually. Calling work indentured servitude is drawing a comparison with the human rights dark ages which isn't apt.

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Post by gruez »

chefandy wrote: post #249
t-3 wrote: post #138

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Amazon is good job though. A shitty job would pay $10 an hour, lack the benefits, and still just get rid of you on a whim. Also, multiply by .8 to get the takehome pay - $15/hr isn't netting 40k without overtime.

The existence of worse doesn't make something good .

>make something good.

What does make something good, then? The top level comment implies that having to work at all is indentured servitude. Does that mean any sort of work to sustain oneself is not "good"?

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Post by t-3 »

Rapzid wrote: post #306
t-3 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon is good job though. A shitty job would pay $10 an hour, lack the benefits, and still just get rid of you on a whim. Also, multiply by .8 to get the takehome pay - $15/hr isn't netting 40k without overtime.

I think Amazon warehouse is a good job for some, and others with no choice. Personally all other things being equal(which they prob aren't but depending on age and situation the other benefits may not matter much) I'd rather work fast food than run around that warehouse like a mad man all day. Lot a fast-food and other places offering 15/hr around me and I live in a relatively low COL city.. I wonder how many people…

> I wonder how many people here saying Amazon warehouse is a good job just because it pays 15/hr have actually worked there along with other jobs paying similar or better?

I have never even made $15 an hour. Also, in my area (also pretty cheap CoL), they pay $20/hr while fast food is ~10-12.

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