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Re: Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage

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In which country can you get (a new) Brompton so cheaply?

When I go their website right now (from the U.S.), I see the base model on sale for 850 pounds.

Oh, I didn't realize you could even buy them direct now. I was looking at >~£1200 in shops or ~£1400 for the models in stock where I got mine. (The cheapest used to be single speed, and 3-speed is stretching it for non-trivial hills like the scarp round here.)

Re: Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage

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A discussion about folding bikes would not be complete without mentioning Helix. Helix folds almost as small as a Brompton but has 24” wheels and standard bicycle components such as disc brakes, Shimano/SRAM drivetrain etc. Also the fold is the most compact possible, even more compact than Brompton in terms of maximizing the use of space. It also fits in a standard airline luggage without any disassembly which few ot…

> is the lowest cost complete titanium bike on the market, folding or not. Do you have sources to back that up? In the UK, the price on your website lists it as £2,025 (or £3,003 for the higher-end model). I can get a PlanetX titanium gravel bike for £1,799 - granted it's not folding, but you specified "folding or not"!

I stand corrected. I did a relatively exhaustive search a couple of months ago and missed this.

Re: Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage

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> is the lowest cost complete titanium bike on the market, folding or not. Do you have sources to back that up? In the UK, the price on your website lists it as £2,025 (or £3,003 for the higher-end model). I can get a PlanetX titanium gravel bike for £1,799 - granted it's not folding, but you specified "folding or not"!

I stand corrected. I did a relatively exhaustive search a couple of months ago and missed this.

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It looks absolutely amazing, but calling it "affordable" at €1600+ is a stretch. You can find non-electric folding bikes for under €200 that are quite sturdy and dependable (although not that small when folded). A few months ago I bought a used folding bike for €100, equipped it with a motor and battery that cost less than €400, for use on train trips. Nothing feels better than getting out of a long-distance train tr…

It is affordable for the workmanship and materials used. All stainless steel and aluminium.

By that measure an Audi R8 is affordable, after all it's literally just a Lamborghini Aventador in a much cheaper package, for the money it's an absolute bargain.

As bambax said - that's not what affordable means. Affordable is all about whether the target market can afford it, not whether it's good value for the materials and work put in.

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Overall it's questionable on muscle efficiency. The main problem with scooters/skateboards is that beginners don't learn using second leg (it feels unnatural and takes practice). Thus getting tired with pushing with one leg. Another thing at this form factor you can get electric skateboard, muscles are concern.

Muscle usage between a bike and a scooter isn’t even close. The leg you’re pushing with isn’t the problem, it’s that you’re supporting your whole body weight on one bent leg while you’re pushing, and effectively doing a one legged half-squat every time you transition from coasting to pushing and back. Add in the additional rolling resistance from the tiny wheels and the lack of mechanical advantage from gearing and o…

My experience is only with using skateboards for long distance, though similar should apply for scooters, but haven't tried.

If I haven't rode both bicycle and skateboards for distance for a while, I'd have exact same thought as you. From my experience of casual rider, it's opposite - I can easily go for hours on skateboard, while on bicycle I get tired and uncomfortable. I've ridden same bike paths 10-20 miles on bicycle and skateboard, and for me skateboard is easier. My guess because on skateboard I can change body position and muscles involved, can switch legs, push or pump. While on bicycle I'm locked in the same position, using same muscles all the time.

Jogging is way way harder than skate, I can barely jog 5 miles, but on skateboard 5 miles i won't even sweat.

There're various types of longboards and indeed some are quite high and you end up doing one legged squat. There many low to the ground models designed for distance specifically, that are much more comfortable to push, no squatting. Check https://www.instagram.com/p/Cbah6FrJuUv/ or https://www.gbomblongboards.com/longboard-skateboard-gallery

Cycling is more efficient that skateboarding, but surprisingly by a small factor. 24h record for cycling is ~900km, while on skateboard ~500km.

Re: Folding bicycle small enough to fit in hand luggage

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I've spent a long time with folding bikes over the years. My advice: bite the bullet and buy a Brompton[1]. Yes, Bromptons are expensive. But they ride like a bicycle, have gears, a stiff enough frame, luggage racks etc. There's very little compromise. The fastest I've done on mine is 45 kph and I've ridden 70km in a day. I carry it on and off buses and trains multiple times a day without issue. In the past I had an…

When I lived in Amsterdam, I rode a regular (non-folding) bike. It didn't have gears - but I didn't need them. If you do in-city riding, and your town is planar, gears are not necessary. And you won't be going 45 kph anyway.

On the other hand, if you ride 70 Km a day - why would you even need a _folding_ bike? That means you do serious cross-country riding. Use a regular bike.

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Perhaps you're right that £850 is slightly below the ridiculous threshold (my recollection was that they were all £1000+). Though it seems that price omits arguably necessary features like mudguards.

> omits arguably necessary features Like a macbook pro omits a headphone jack and ethernet ports?

Pretty sure they all still have a headphone jack. https://www.apple.com/uk/mac/compare/

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Yeah this is all reasonable. Parent felt a bit reactionary

Going off on someone because they “feel a bit reactionary” is very reactionary, you realize.

My tone wasn’t the best for sure but I was more curious if that was their issue.

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A discussion about folding bikes would not be complete without mentioning Helix. Helix folds almost as small as a Brompton but has 24” wheels and standard bicycle components such as disc brakes, Shimano/SRAM drivetrain etc. Also the fold is the most compact possible, even more compact than Brompton in terms of maximizing the use of space. It also fits in a standard airline luggage without any disassembly which few ot…

Why titanium? In my experience (and maybe you'll correlate), all materials involve compromise; there doesn't tend to be a case where a material is outstandingly better in all categories. Comparing titanium vs. the best steels, it's half the weight but also half the modulus of elasticity and half the tensile yield strength. I wouldn't expect there to be much weight advantage when comparing two tubes with roughly equal…

There were many reasons to choose Ti over steel, aluminum or carbon fiber. Steel would have significantly thinner wall thickness and would be less durable. Folding bikes get handled a lot, they get banged up, fall over, experience crushing forces etc. Carbon fiber is also less durable for this use case and aluminum would have been heavier for our design. Ti leaves no compromises other than cost of manufacturing but that is a great challenge to work on and there are many ways to optimize it which we are working on.

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I used a push scooter in Munich in combination with buses and trains. It was fine for short distances of like ~1.5km or less, going to/from transit stations, but past that distance it just gets fucking annoying. Standing up on a push scooter and constant pushing with your feet just isn't as comfortable as sitting down and pedaling. Also, the non-inflated rubber wheels I had on the thing were very uncomfortable (and l…

Fair enough, but from the looks of that bike it doesn't really look like it'd be comfortable much more than a few kilometers either. There are push scooters with inflatable tires (I've seen them here in the US) but not sure how much that affects the weight and portability.

Regarding distances with Kwiggle please take a look here:

https://www.kwigglebike.com/en_US/faltrad-300km

Ok, 300km/d is not for all people, but it show the possibilies.

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