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Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Those cards appear when pausing the video as well. You may be doing that to read something off the screen, only to be blocked by that nuisance.

There's a trick to hide them. You know that gesture you do when watching a video vertically to minimize the video to get back to the video feed? While you're doing the gesture, the end cards are hidden. Just hold the gesture, and you can hide the cards.

Yes, that sounds totally reasonable and not at all user hostile.

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I choose to remain glass half full here. I don't think it will take long for decent open source alternatives to emerge. The only reason they haven't yet is because Vanced was so good.

> Vanced was so good

Was actually too good that even the premium youtube couldn't hold a candle.

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Having come to adulthood in the 90s we all agreed that intellectual property was an oxymoron. It strikes me as odd people worry about the business model of mega corporations. Is it a sense of fairness? I have that instinct, but it doesn't apply to the likes of faang entities.

I read too many history books as a child. You learn that stealing is for lack of a better word "good".

Can you explain what you mean? I certainly wouldn't conflate copyright infringement with theft, that was propaganda by riaa and crew that was far more successful than I thought it would be when they started it. And depending on jurisdiction time-shifting (recording for later) isn't copyright infringement.

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English spelling is so fucked up. Possessives normally have the apostrophe, except the possessive pronouns. Just because.

Avoiding overlap with contractions isn't "just because".

And yet, english is quite happy to have an overlap between contraction and possessive for nouns, like "The doctor's waiting" vs "The doctor's waiting room"

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I was under the impression that Vanced was a cracked version of the official app. If that was the case then they deserve to be sued.

If you buy a microwave and modify it, so it doesn't beep when it's done, and offer the modded version to your friends, do you deserve to be sued?

If you open up a shop where you do this (for free) I kind of think you ask to be sued. At any rate real world analoga often don't do the digital problems justice.

PS.: I imply that the "beep" is the source of revenue of course, which is a bit hidden in your analogon.

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If you buy a microwave and modify it, so it doesn't beep when it's done, and offer the modded version to your friends, do you deserve to be sued?

If you open up a shop where you do this (for free) I kind of think you ask to be sued. At any rate real world analoga often don't do the digital problems justice. PS.: I imply that the "beep" is the source of revenue of course, which is a bit hidden in your analogon.

I have no idea why modding a microwave at a third-party service center would be illegal.

Yes, the rules for digital should be changed to be more alike the physical world, especially regarding ownership, resales, lending/borrowing and modification.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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NewPipe [1] is an open-source alternative, although latest versions of Vanced will supposedly keep working for the foreseeable future [2]. [1]: https://newpipe.net/ [2]: https://nitter.net/YTVanced/status/1503055442506915846#m

A great issue for me with NewPipe is the fact that it does not support signing into an account. The developers claim it's a feature that will not be implemented. Without the great music recommendation system I might as well just listen to my Jellyfin song collection. What value does YouTube even have without recommendations?

>What value does YouTube even have without recommendations?

You can watch videos on it that were recommended elsewhere. Like, say, here. Or reddit. That's my exclusive usage of it.

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If you open up a shop where you do this (for free) I kind of think you ask to be sued. At any rate real world analoga often don't do the digital problems justice. PS.: I imply that the "beep" is the source of revenue of course, which is a bit hidden in your analogon.

I have no idea why modding a microwave at a third-party service center would be illegal. Yes, the rules for digital should be changed to be more alike the physical world, especially regarding ownership, resales, lending/borrowing and modification.

> I have no idea why modding a microwave at a third-party service center would be illegal.

If you remove the source of revenue for a given product without consent of the manufacturer/developer of that product and do this in a professional fashion, you are inflicting severe damage to that manufacturer/developer of a product.

The reason why digital problems are not easily transferred to the real world or back is in this example, that it costs the author of that mod zero time to do it for all people at once (developing time is fixed) and is accessible nearly instantly from everywhere. This is certainly not true for the microwave example.

edit: replace owner with manufacturer/developer (of that product)

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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I don't get this argument against proprietary software. People building software should be able to expect payment for their work and effort. Food is required for a healthy society but would anyone here advocate for farmers to give away all of their produce for free? Text-tiles are necessary for society but would you advocate that clothing be provided by the creators free of charge? The only thing different about soft…

Just to understand where I'm coming from, I'm actually a proponent of all production being socialized so that people do not need to spend their life working just to live. Farmers would give their produce for free because all their needs would be met for free. But that's another debate. Libre Software can totally be funded, through individual donations or through public funding; in fact, because Libre Software is a co…

I've heard people who have similar beliefs to yours and IME they've never been able to rationalize what their society would actually look like and how we could maintain the same quality of life as we have today.

Given that HN is a higher quality social media platform than most, maybe today that can change. Would you mind answering a few questions:

1. Who does the hard/dirty jobs in this society? Farming being one. But also construction, sewage, trash, ad inifitum. There are a lot of undesirable jobs and while maybe some people would be willing, I doubt our needs could be met when the same individuals could just work an easier job for the same reward.

2. How are "needs" defined? Food, shelter, clothing. Then what? Electricity? Internet? Smartphones? Gaming consoles/PC's? Games to play on those? Music? Memory foam mattresses? Etc. If all of these aren't needs, then how would individuals with varying interests actually choose what they want to own?

3. What are the incentives to advance amd become highly skilled? Take doctors. Some are really passionate about what they do. Most may be a little passionate, but are mainly just intelligent people drawn by the money and prestige. Assuming medical school and university still exists, for what purpose would someone go through that pipeline when they could do something far easier?

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Breaking Vanced would also break YouTube (read: be unable to show ads) for people whose YouTube app is outdated.

how strict is youtube about maintaining backwards compatibility with outdated apps/versions of android? do they ever break compatibility?

They do, for instance here someone in 2017 tested that YouTube doesn’t work anymore on the original iPhone:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/2017/01/04/does-the-orig...

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