Sold. Been waiting for this for years. Edit: to clarify I will lurk and wait until it is £200 off on Amazon one day because I don’t need it immediately.
You might be waiting for years for the discount.
Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display
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And Apple still hasn't shipped a laptop with a higher refresh rate than 120hz when competitors have been shipping 144 or even 240hz for years (A 100% bigger value than 120hz!).
Is there any evidence that such high refresh rates provide any value, or are even detectable by human eyes?
In games with fast motion, 120hz vs 240hz is easily perceptible (outside first person shooters it’s not good to provide much value). I would be fine with 120hz for desktop work, but 60hz displays has been a gripe of mine about Macs for a long time. 120+hz was available on CRTs 25 years ago…
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I have two of these. They are plagued with bezel cracking, uniformity, and other issues.
Plus they are not on sale anymore, at least when I was looking. I am guessing this replaces it. Not really other alternatives out there (displays in 5k).
Check Apple’s refurb site :)
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That's only true at 8 bits per channel though, which is not what this monitor is. Otherwise yes, you're right
But would the average consumer care enough for 10bit to disregard 5k resolution?
Looking at the uproar over at Reddit, it seems like people care far more about refresh rate than resolution or color depth. This also seems to be borne out by the current monitor market - most monitors seem to be 1440p high-refresh rate monitors.
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#355wow, 600 nits -- that's bright. If you have a mac book pro you already have a screen that does 500 nits which easily lets you see the screen in the sun. If you're inside without glare you can get away with just 250 nits. For smart phones -- the nits are typically much higher because people use them in the sun and need good visibility outside. A 600 nit screen inside would almost be too bright for some people. I know…
I'd disagree, I have a 16" 2021 MacBook that has the XDR Display with 1000avg/1600peak brightness and I constantly have it maxed. It's very annoying have it next to my BenQ 4K monitor that feels so much flatter in comparison. It just makes any other monitor so boring in comparison.
No, it only sustains 1000 nits for HDR content. For SDR content (including normal desktop usage), it provides 500 nits.[0] You may need to reevaluate your perception of what a 600 nit display would look like.
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#356It's kind of ridiculous how slow the progress in screen resolutions has been. It's disappointing that Apple is only going for 5k, not 8k; they're well positioned to fix the ecosystem and bring high-resolution large displays to everyone, if only they tried. I'm finally sitting in front of an 8k 65" screen. This gives me a nice combination of decent picel density in the center and lots of peripheral vision in which to…
maybe i'm just old and blind but i can BARELY even notice the difference between 1440p and 4k if i very explicitly and intentionally look for it let alone the difference between 5k and 8k. this seems like so beyond unnecessary that it's absurd. i might be able to be convinced that you could notice on your 8k 65 inch tv if you were standing right in front of it, but on a 27 inch display that seems incredibly unlikely…
Are you talking about for watching video? In that case I'm with you, but for text (using it as a computer monitor as the OP is) the difference is night and day.
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Your suggestion was tried for years and failed every time because it doesn’t work. HiDPI shipped because it was 2x or nothing. (Later there was 3x.) The reason Windows developers still think it might work is they have no taste and don’t care about localized UI, pixel cracks, or blurry bitmap controls.
Android has been shipping arbitrary DPI support for longer than iOS or MacOS has supported the limited 2x HiDPI, and it doesn't have the issues you're talking about. It's definitely possible to do, although retrofitting an existing UI toolkit & ecosystem is a massive challenge.
Isn't the Android SDK older than iOS? Either way, it can't escape blurriness. There's bitmaps on this very page and if I zoom in the reply button misrenders.
Actually it can't escape pixel cracks either, as I seem to remember OpenGL ES 1.0 including GL_LINES where the default width is 1px.
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The technology to do 5K @ 120hz just doesn't exist yet. 5K @ 60Hz is already maxing out Thunderbolt 4.
And yet somehow the technology to do 8k @ 120hz does exist... ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUnSsx62j8 )
Does that video show the connection used to display that.
If not, I'm guessing that example case is either using a lossy data compression or multiple cables running to multiple displays.
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Driving an 8K monitor can be a bit hard on some computers, no? And chaining multiple 8K monitors is an even bigger challenge.
The key feature is "HDMI 2.1 display stream compression", which is only present in very recent GPUs, and without which a computer can't output 8k at all. If it's new enough to have that feature, it's fast enough to handle 8k no problem. I don't typically run videogames at 8k, but I'm sitting close enough that I want them centered in a ~4k window anyways rather than filling my peripheral vision.
What does it do if the image is too complex to compress in the available bandwidth?
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Remember that it’s more than just raw resolution. Of course macOS supports these higher resolutions but there’s also the color calibration and support for wider color gamuts other than sRGB and having that all integrated together. For example, the iMac had Display P3 (a color space 50% bigger than RGB) support starting in 2015.
And Apple still hasn't shipped a laptop with a higher refresh rate than 120hz when competitors have been shipping 144 or even 240hz for years (A 100% bigger value than 120hz!).
Apple doesn't ship stuff just because it's available; there has to be some appreciable value.
Faster refresh doesn't necessarily mean a better display. I suspect Apple's displays are higher quality than most competitors even if they max out at 120Hz.
Here are the specs for the latest MacBook Pros:
16.2-inch (diagonal) Liquid Retina XDR display;1 3456-by-2234 native
resolution at 254 pixels per inch
XDR (Extreme Dynamic Range)
1,000,000:1 contrast ratio
XDR brightness: 1000 nits sustained full-screen, 1600 nits peak2 (HDR content only)
SDR brightness: 500 nits
1 billion colors
Wide color (P3)
True Tone technology
Refresh rates
ProMotion technology for adaptive refresh rates up to 120Hz
Fixed refresh rates: 47.95Hz, 48.00Hz, 50.00Hz, 59.94Hz, 60.00Hz