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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I am going to call this some kind of technical error. The episodes deleted are so mundane that it's impossible to imagine taking these down but keeping all kinds of horrible music that is explicitly violent, rapey and racist.

I like the idea some of those might be the guests themselves asking to be removed due to the controversy.

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I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.

I grew up same as you, and you took the words out of my mouth. People who grew up secular are completely unaware of how Southern Baptist in style all of this canceling and moralizing is. Like the church ladies, they turn moralizing into a competitive sport, and everyone loses.

The classic every-other-generation flip-flop.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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The anti-censorship comments here of course resonate with me, but I'm curious about the legality of this. Spotify advertised Rogan and sold paid subscriptions. Now they've unilaterally removed the ability to listen from millions of paying customers, at least some of whom subscribed exclusively for the purpose of listening to JRE. Do these customers have no recourse?

Unfortunately I fear we'll have to wait until web3 enables some sort of DRM-replacing copy-supporting NFTs for song/podcast/game/etc copy ownership rights. Legally the major publishers, platforms, and stores have license clauses allowing them to revoke their hosted access to digital media you "bought", so the alternative might be decentralized copyright and file hosting.

You don’t buy rights to anything when you use a subscription service like Spotify. You’re paying for the right to stream things in their current catalog.

Buying perpetual rights to content is possible with the current web. I buy DRM free MP3s and have been for decades.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

This is not an attack on free speech, this is free market economics at work. Spotify is free to promote and profit from whomever they please, and other creative artists are free to take their work elsewhere. Market demand will determine the outcome.

The First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law ..."; it says only what the *gov't* can and cannot do

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I think this will lead to outcome that few people cheering for this are anticipating. Musk, Thiel etc. will back an alternative platform that will host JRE, Lex, Jordan Peterson etc. and in the long term it will win due to being less restrictive. Which in the long term is prob a positive thing.

Keep waiting for a saviour billionaire to align with your views and you'll end up disappointed, again and again.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

He has fringe people on his show to drive engagement. Fauci is not going to pay the bills.

How does that make any sense? By definition fringe people are going to attract a fringe audience. If he wants more engagement the guests should be more like when he had Elon Musk on smoking weed.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll gladly dig my own career grave for $100 million.

Does JR get it per year?

Looks like it is a multiyear licensing deal:

> The deal with Mr. Rogan is a multiyear licensing agreement for an amount of time that couldn’t be learned.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-strikes-exclusive-podca...

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