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.NET 6 Released

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Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by pjmlp »

naikrovek wrote: post #314
azth wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, arguably a better decision than writing it in golang to begin with.

Go is better than Java any day of any week if startup time or memory footprint are of any concern to you at all. Also Java is OO which is... terrible to say the least.

Java has had AOT compilation since around 2000, just not as free beer.

In 2021, the AOT free beer exists, as do JIT caches.

As for OO model, I rather be able to understand which interfaces a type implements by looking at it, instead of producing compiler errors, or have a type by accident supporting a single method interface with complete different semantics.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by pjmlp »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #229
orra wrote: post #132

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To be fair to UWP XAML, it's more efficient than WPF. I don't mean because it's written in C++ instead of C#. The render pipeline of WinUI is more efficient. It's really interesting, but unfortunately I can't find the technical blog I was thinking on.

That doesn’t explain why they had to roll a new framework instead of improving WPF. It may have been ok if they provided an upgrade path but since Winforms they haven’t bothered with that either.

Politcs, driven by the same group that botched Longhorn in name of C++ and COM.

https://arstechnica.com/features/2012/10/windows-8-and-winrt...

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by DeathArrow »

kbd wrote: post #51

Is there any reason I should care about .NET today if I'm not already in the ecosystem? I've done C# professionally in the past, and C# is a good language. I wish Microsoft focused on open source and wider industry adoption for C#/.NET sooner so that it could have taken some share from Java. Now .NET is finally open source but Microsoft is a bad steward of the open source ecosystem for .NET, and I certainly wouldn't…

> I don't see any particular reason to make my own tools in C# vs anything else.

I can tell you why the company I work for uses C# to develop microservice based products:

-cross platform

-tons of libraries

-integration with most of the things we need

-great speed

-good productivity

-great tools

We can iterate fast, have performance. Also, C#/.NET is good for other purposes such as mobile apps, frontend, writing glue code, and even desktop if the need arises.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by kaba0 »

abdusco wrote: post #328
TylerE wrote: post #321

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Sounds like you want nim.

Yeah, nim ticks all the boxes, but the ecosystem around it should grow a bit more until I can develop comfortably with it. vlang[0] also seems like a nice golang "fork" that I'd be willing to spend time on. [0]: https://github.com/vlang/v/blob/master/doc/docs.md

Not wanna bring down that project, but be wary of V, as in the past it has made plenty of impossible to live up to “features” and indeed, never delivered. But I haven’t followed it since then.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by DeathArrow »

Fast framework for Web, MAUI for mobile and desktop, Blazor for frontend, ML.NET for AI and ML, Unity and Godot for games, F# for functional programming. All relatively fast and easy to use. Libraries for everything and good documentation.

The only thing we miss is system programming due to not being able to opt out of using the garbage colector.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by DeathArrow »

eddhead wrote: post #350
DeathArrow wrote: post #347

.NET 6 was released but MAUI was pushed for next year and I still haven't heard anything about AOT which was delayed a few times and was supposed to come WITH .NET 6.

They promised Blazor AoT and its here, with. NET6. Maui is just a refresh of Xamarin Forms so that can wait.

I've been talking about native AoT.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by Deukhoofd »

DeathArrow wrote: post #356

Fast framework for Web, MAUI for mobile and desktop, Blazor for frontend, ML.NET for AI and ML, Unity and Godot for games, F# for functional programming. All relatively fast and easy to use. Libraries for everything and good documentation. The only thing we miss is system programming due to not being able to opt out of using the garbage colector.

You can get C# to run without the stdlib, and use it as a native language with some effort. Here's an example running Hello World as a C# EFI boot program: https://github.com/MichalStrehovsky/zerosharp/tree/master/ef...

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by xakpc »

this is nice.

I built a couple of side-projects and startups - all on .net.

First one was on Xamarin even before it was bought by MS - the progress from that times is amazing, the last one - built fully on Blazor.

I believe more startups should try to adopt .net stack - it's fast, fun and efficient and becomes better every day.

Congrats .net teams on launch

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by DeathArrow »

UglyToad wrote: post #78
kbd wrote: post #51

Is there any reason I should care about .NET today if I'm not already in the ecosystem? I've done C# professionally in the past, and C# is a good language. I wish Microsoft focused on open source and wider industry adoption for C#/.NET sooner so that it could have taken some share from Java. Now .NET is finally open source but Microsoft is a bad steward of the open source ecosystem for .NET, and I certainly wouldn't…

Depends what you're after. The only correct advice for "what to do a project in" if you're looking to ship and/or make money is "use what you know" so any advice beyond that is heavily contextual. There is no killer feature for .NET I think. That's why it's a hard sell. I think its sales pitch is more or less parallel to Java (though I prefer C# to Java and VS to IntelliJ). Do you want a statically typed, extremely f…

>I'd note that it's a bit of a jack-of-all-trades

And that's why developers and companies like it. It is a good, easy to use, well supported, well documented, sane jack-of-all-trades.

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