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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Hearing "Exclusively on Spotify" on any podcast ad is a sure-fire way to make sure I never listen to an episode. One of the great features of podcasts is the flexibility in listening platform and I'd really rather not switch to Spotify's substandard user experience.

So true. I wonder if RSS could make a comeback if it were marketed as "podcast for articles".

No because no popular publisher would stay the moment a $100m exclusive offer is made.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Of course I agree that those who do not want vaccines should not be forced. But they also should not get to ruin everything for the rest of us. The r coefficient for vaccinated people is drastically lower leading to protecting those that can not get vaccinated (whom, I guess, unvaccinated people do not mind screwing over). And vaccinated people are not taking away ICU beds from people suffering from non-prevetable di…

By your logic we should penalize obese people. It's more of a factor in icu admission stats than vax status.

This is nonsense. The causal feature of the people saturating ICU capacities is that they are unvaccinated, not obese. It also matters that getting vaccinated is a cheap safe triviality, while getting into a healthy BMI range is an expensive long process (but I would agree that it should be encouraged).

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.

> "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news

It used to be the best when there was regulation that made sure equal amounts of attention were devoted to both sides of an issue with proper research.

What we have today are ideological echo chambers with some caricature of an opposing side, not actual debate.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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When he moved to Spotify I suppose I'll get his podcasts from torrents, but then I end up finding far more interesting podcasts to replace him. After all if any of his episodes are interesting I can just listen them two years later.

Any recommendations you can offer for interesting podcasts?

As already mentioned there is Lex Fridman. Some people including me dislike the way he speaks, but listening on x2+ speed fixes that. I also enjoyed The Tim Ferris Show and he generally have more guests who are not related to tech.

Though I mostly went deeper into podcasts related to software engineering and since most of them include a lot of off-topic some are quite fun: Soft Skills Engineering, The Bike Shed, Indie Hackers Podcast, Talk Python to Me, Unnamed RE Podcast.

So there is always more interesting podcasts than time I have for listening. Might be you can't replace Rogan with one show, but you can always diversify.

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I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

I'm all for free speech in the sense that you have the right to say what you want without retribution from the government. Free speech doesn't mean you have the right to an audience.

Looks like your comment is losing its right to an audience

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quaranti…

I think that's OK, as long as you accept the consequence of being outcast from society - ie not allowed to interact or go into a public place where you are a threat. "Not making other people sick during a pandemic" is a pretty reasonable prerequisite for social interaction.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.

Yeah, he was always that way and he was always a gateway drug to the alt-right.

He's had plenty of prominent leftist guests like Bernie Sanders, and most of his comedian and artist friends are left-leaning, and he leans left himself. How is this a gateway to the alt-right? At some point these accusations just become meaningless.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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It's obvious that ratings are down, but it's still enough to make money. Here are Some recent changes I can think of that cause lower ratings, all but one are related to Spotify.

Spotify is awful to use.

Not live anymore.

Haven't done the fight companion since the Brian Callen allegations.

Too afraid to be cancelled.

So many more podcasts now. Especially Tim Dillon and Flagrant2.

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Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

I'm not… not anymore… after observing stuff like this. Like Joe, like some of his guests, like the results of how things have shaken out.

Notably, free speech absolutism is impossible to refute if everyone is arguing in good faith. Since quite a few influential political actors are demonstrably not, and are following well-defined tactics dating back to various fascist regimes such as those who produced WWII, it is insane to pretend everyone is arguing in good faith.

And it is both instructive and dismaying to see that the people most obviously arguing in bad faith have a tendency to insist, and get others to insist, that free speech must be absolute and that everyone must be taken with the assumption that they're arguing in good faith.

Tactically, it makes perfect sense, but it's a hell of an exploit.

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