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Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by IncRnd »

csmeder wrote: post #66

It is interesting that many of the top comments are as dismissive as: “No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame,” When you look at Tesla’s talent in: AI + motors + batteries + manufacturing I can’t believe how negative and dismissive the comments are. Can we not have some appreciation for what Tesla HAS achieved vs only focusing on missed ship dates? The part that I think is going over peoples head is that for so m…

> The flaw with full self driving right now is not that it doesn’t work sometimes.

.. doesn't work many times.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by joshbert »

staticassertion wrote: post #333
Retric wrote: post #115

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The point is they needed to make multiple significant independent breakthroughs in established fields. Turing like a lot of pioneers is seriously overrated. When surrounded by low hanging fruit it’s easy to seemingly make a great deal of progress especially when your credited with formalizing existing ideas or making that one last step into usefulness. Einstein actually pushed boundaries in a well established field w…

Thanks for proving my point. As I said, listing out names just means that people are going to try to say why those people are less impressive. As for Musk's accomplishments, I don't find them to be very impressive or interesting.

You clearly have no point to make.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by IncRnd »

renjimen wrote: post #78
staticassertion wrote: post #52

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I can think of so many people who are radically more accomplished in vastly more interesting and important ways, it feels absurd to start listing because of how many I'd be leaving out by doing so.

Even naming a few would actually help your argument, since you can think of so many

I can't even take your comment seriously. Your argument is not advanced by your belief that Musk has accomplished more than all other humans.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by IncRnd »

staunch wrote: post #50
paxys wrote: post #19

Add it to the long list of Elon projects permanently in a state of releasing "next year".

It's a fair criticism that Elon Musk would probably agree with. He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. Sometimes things take longer and/or perform worse than he hoped they would. Sometimes he succeeds beyond anyone's expectations. In any case, he keeps trying to push the world forward, and that's the highest calling of any engineer in my book. I still c…

> He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting.

He makes stock plays. Then he lets everyone pick-up the hype for him. This is a very real skill, and he is excellent at it. It is not the same as accomplishing things.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by freemint »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #310
itsoktocry wrote: post #288

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The point is self driving, and Waymo has superior tech.

Not if it isn't available to buy. For that matter I have a highly advanced general super intelligence. You can't have it. I'm just using it to solve my kid's math homework.

As long as I can rent it to solve the homework of my children which are in your class that's fine.

In fact if you feel comfortable it gets everything right and doesn't kill people in situations where humans don't please consider extending to a larger area of homework until you feel comfortable letting it carry out PHD level research assignments.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

blueblisters wrote: post #332
itsoktocry wrote: post #283

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If it's bleeding edge, why does it underperform the competition?

I'm speaking from my knowledge of the specific technologies they are using - it's fairly close to SOTA. I'm not aware of an apples-to-apples comparison of Tesla's autopilot with a similar system from the competition. Most competitors are using LIDARs and/or running their autonomous vehicles in limited geographical regions. IMO, the state space and action space is significantly more constrained in those cases.

Having the ability to use LIDAR and not just cameras is less constrained, not more.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by nixarn »

itsoktocry wrote: post #341
nixarn wrote: post #322

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Tesla has had their fair share of hard times. And some mornings have been horrible after having read some Elon tweets xD When it comes to raising cash, things change, I remember once cash raise happened immediately after their value had increased much in a short interval, so it made sense to raise. And looking back, with the company being worth 666B now, they've done a lot of right calls, but of course some wrong one…

> so it made sense to raise It totally makes sense, I agree. Just seems odd to say we won't, and then do, repeatedly. > And it's a myth that Tesla doesn't do any profit. For example last quarter Tesla got around 354M in regulatory credits (this is what the anti-tesla crowd likes to point out) but the net income was 1.14B. It's only a myth if you don't actually examine the underlying accounting. Regulatory credits, re…

> Are they marginally profitable now? Maybe, but that's nothing to brag about at a market cap of over half a trillion dollars.

Decent to do more than a billion in profit and they are a growth company with Giga Austin and Giga Berlin opening soon. When amazon had a similar market cap they did around 800m in profit. It's ofcourse easy in retrospect to say that amazon was a winner, but of course it was an unknown to investors and everyone placed their bets back then.

And my point with subsidies is that they affect the outcome, as they exist they have an effect on the business, and should be valued as such.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by staunch »

IncRnd wrote: post #354
staunch wrote: post #50

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It's a fair criticism that Elon Musk would probably agree with. He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. Sometimes things take longer and/or perform worse than he hoped they would. Sometimes he succeeds beyond anyone's expectations. In any case, he keeps trying to push the world forward, and that's the highest calling of any engineer in my book. I still c…

> He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. He makes stock plays. Then he lets everyone pick-up the hype for him. This is a very real skill, and he is excellent at it. It is not the same as accomplishing things.

He has shipped 1+ million electric vehicles, transforming the auto industry, which will contribute massively to reducing global emissions, etc.

He has delivered rockets that have resupplied the space station, sent astronauts to space, and will almost certainly lead to building bases on the moon and mars, etc.

A lot more than making "stock plays". The blindness of the haters is astounding. There are very legitimate critiques of Elon Musk, but denying his self-evident accomplishments is beyond delusional.

Re: Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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Post by fitzie »

tessierashpool wrote: post #339
tessierashpool wrote: post #219

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Musk isn’t actually looking for profitable products. He’s trying to be the king of vaporware. Remember the Cybertruck? Or how he said he could control pigs by putting microchips in their brains? Or how Tesla was all in on Bitcoin until it wasn’t? He probably doesn’t even do it to bump the stock price. It’s probably just about doing whatever will impress Grimes for a little while. Then they both smoke so much weed the…

people can downvote this all they want, but if you’ve ever had a friend who smoked too much weed, or fallen into the habit yourself, you’ve seen the same behavior that Musk exhibits. too many ideas, not enough follow-through, and the ideas tend to be wild and unrealistic —- he’s a textbook case.

Elon is willing to commit a lot of capital and effort into his ideas. the production capabilities of Tesla are improving at a significant clip, and incorporating many state of the art techniques. Elon's approach to innovation is a lot of hype, but there is a lot of hustle to it too. I think he would consider it a waste and not fun any other way.
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