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Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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From what I read there’s an enterprise Oculus Quest 2 model that is more expensive but doesn’t require a Facebook account.

But it doesn't have access to the consumer-facing store and is intended solely for internal business usage (for example, employee training and the like.)

You can actually obtain it with access to the consumer facing store now, but you couldn't when that scheme launched.

But there is no way to switch between these options, or even to upgrade the consumer hardware you had to buy to get stuff out of the door when they launched without this functionality to be able to utilise the business accounts, even if you were willing to pay to do so. The answer is literally to junk your existing hardware investment.

It's really a crazy mess. Nobody at Facebook/Oculus seems to really care about how this is supposed to work for businesses developing for the platform in practice.

It seems so much harder than just permitting business users to set up a "faux" account that can be used for company wide demo machines (and managed only by signing into that account, not having to buy specific hardware), even if a bunch of verification was required for that initial setup.

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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Having a firstnamelastname address will subject you to a truly baffling level of false accounts and misaddressed email. The worst was probably the time I got emailed an excel sheet containing the names, personal details, and logins for an entire layer of middle managers for a small banking chain.

> Having a firstnamelastname address will subject you to a truly baffling level of false accounts and misaddressed email You're so right. This is a big reason I'm looking forward to Apple's iCloud+ custom domain names. Outlook.com already supports custom domain names for paying customers in a very limited way, but hopefully Apple's move will light a fire under Gmail product management to offer this, perhaps through G…

Google supports custom domains for Google accounts, I've been using it for years.

https://workspace.google.com/pricing.html

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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I’ve run support teams, even ones that are well taken care of, and there is no situation where your approach doesn’t hurt the support team and teach the executive nothing. I’m happy to go into more detail, and/or offer advice on better approaches if you sincerely want it.

Not the person you're replying to, but I'd be interested in suggestions - I've in the past had some horrendous support experiences. Also my feeling on reading the grandparent comment is that they don't care about improving the support structure of the company, but rather find that bothering a C-level is the fastest way to get somebody important to send a "just get this sorted so this person stops bothering me" e-mail…

Actually, When I reach out to executives, I'm often trying to get the problem permanently fixed. In the instance I cited above, I knew I wasn't the only person that had this problem as I had found complaints on forums of other customers with the same problem that I shared with them. I also did additional research into why the problem happened and provided concrete actionable steps that this executive was best positioned to enact. I was trying to solve it for me and trying to solve it for others by actually contacting the person that had the power to fix it. It was when they tried to pass the buck back to customer support so "they could wash their hands of the problem" that I raised the stakes by demonstrating that I had the will and wherewithal to escalate the issue as far as it needed to go. They eventually implemented a hot fix for the problem. There's still no permanent solution implemented, but at least no other customers are wasting their time and they aren't wasting their money either (as the problem was burning money by shipping goods from Europe to the United States, where US Customs was rejecting the stuff and returning it back to them).

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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I'm all ears (sincerely), but any solution you offer needs to be effective at resolving the problems a company has created for me. I'm also happy to try other less-nuclear options first before I bust out the big guns. As I said, I don't start with this approach. In fact, I resorted to it out of necessity as the clerical mistake of one fortune 500 company was going to personally cost me more than $275k over 30 years.…

Ultimately what I'm going to suggest comes down to philosophy, so if it doesn't align w/ your approach/needs I get it. A theme of how you describe your interactions was to throw the support team under the bus, and/or highlight their failures to help you when interacting with an executive. It's my experience that the executive has made intentional choices to deflect customer issues and that support team is their doing…

First thanks for your response

> A theme of how you describe your interactions was to throw the support team under the bus, and/or highlight their failures to help you when interacting with an executive.

I left out a lot of details, which I know means that a lot of assumptions will necessarily be made. I think you're reading into my comment something I didn't do. To give more details on the interaction. There was no phone support, only email and support took almost 2 weeks to response to my dilemma, which exceeded the response time expected by US Customs and the stuff I purchased was returned. They didn't respond to 3 additional requests within that two week period. When they finally responded, they couldn't solve the problem. The only real failure of the support team was that they were grossly understaffed. There's no reason for two week wait times, especially for a customer that just placed an order for multiple thousands of dollars which they charged the customer for when it was shipped, not delivered.

When I reached out to the executive to explain the problem. They only fault I gave to support was stating that they must be grossly understaffed if the response times were as long as they were. In my message, I placed the responsibility for fixing that particular issue of understaffing on the executive in question (head of ecommerce). Other issues that needed attention was how they were handling international fulfillment was causing them defects and costing them probably $100 or more per defect on shipments to the United States. I had already reached out to the partner company they worked with and was in contact with that company's United States CEO. Together we figured out the issue and I was relaying the fixes to the head of ecommerce for the company so he could fix the problem at the root because the buck stopped with him. I was solving a very real problem for them that was costing them money and I did all the research into the fix and provided the person who was ultimately responsible with fixes. I did this because I was trying to fix the problem myself during those two weeks before US customs sent my order back.

Passing the buck when it's your job and a customer has figured out the problem and handed you the solution on a silver platter is highly unprofessional.

Regarding your recomendation to use the system. It's a good one and one I'm familiar with. I use it often, but in my original example above I did not because the system in question had no interfaces to interact with besides a support email. There was no phone system, no chat system, not brick and mortar store, no support agents, etc. It was a system with a single interface that provided no interactivity (I can't dial 0 or ask to speak with the right person). The only interfaces available were that email address, US Customs and the shipping company.

Has there been interfaces that could be probed and exploited to solve the problem, yes, I totally agree with your approach.

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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I pay for a cold calling service that lets me look up emails and phone numbers for many professionals of import. These days customer service gets two shots to get it right before I start calling the personal cell phone numbers of the C-suite, board of directors and everyone with the word director in their title. I'm absolutely over shitty customer service and it's not fair to subject customer service representatives…

Genuine question - why wasn't it cheaper for that company to drop you as a customer?

Most certainly it was. Not all organisations realise that dropping some customers is a good move

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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> Having a firstnamelastname address will subject you to a truly baffling level of false accounts and misaddressed email You're so right. This is a big reason I'm looking forward to Apple's iCloud+ custom domain names. Outlook.com already supports custom domain names for paying customers in a very limited way, but hopefully Apple's move will light a fire under Gmail product management to offer this, perhaps through G…

Google supports custom domains for Google accounts, I've been using it for years. https://workspace.google.com/pricing.html

Google's support for custom domains is strictly for Workspace (formerly GSuite) customers. It's analogous to Microsoft 365 business plans[1].

Other providers are moving beyond this, i.e. offering custom domains to a wider set of (paying) users. Outlook.com already supports this in a limited way (domain must be with GoDaddy, kind of silly), for Microsoft 365 Family and Individual users. And Apple is apparently going to offer it to everyone as part of iCloud+ too.

Not everyone needs the full Workspace offering. In fact Google has Google One for exactly that kind of customer, and a custom domain name would fit neatly into the Google One proposition.

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365/business

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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Not the person you're replying to, but I'd be interested in suggestions - I've in the past had some horrendous support experiences. Also my feeling on reading the grandparent comment is that they don't care about improving the support structure of the company, but rather find that bothering a C-level is the fastest way to get somebody important to send a "just get this sorted so this person stops bothering me" e-mail…

Actually, When I reach out to executives, I'm often trying to get the problem permanently fixed. In the instance I cited above, I knew I wasn't the only person that had this problem as I had found complaints on forums of other customers with the same problem that I shared with them. I also did additional research into why the problem happened and provided concrete actionable steps that this executive was best positio…

Ah, sorry I misinterpreted what you wrote then. Hopefully the commenter will see this and reply, although I assume enough time has passed that they've forgotten about it!

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, When I reach out to executives, I'm often trying to get the problem permanently fixed. In the instance I cited above, I knew I wasn't the only person that had this problem as I had found complaints on forums of other customers with the same problem that I shared with them. I also did additional research into why the problem happened and provided concrete actionable steps that this executive was best positio…

Ah, sorry I misinterpreted what you wrote then. Hopefully the commenter will see this and reply, although I assume enough time has passed that they've forgotten about it!

Nah I saw it and have been busy and agree with you that context is hard on the internet and I got it wrong with the best intentions, glad we could talk it out :)

Re: FB users buying Oculus VR headsets to get customer service prioritization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately what I'm going to suggest comes down to philosophy, so if it doesn't align w/ your approach/needs I get it. A theme of how you describe your interactions was to throw the support team under the bus, and/or highlight their failures to help you when interacting with an executive. It's my experience that the executive has made intentional choices to deflect customer issues and that support team is their doing…

First thanks for your response > A theme of how you describe your interactions was to throw the support team under the bus, and/or highlight their failures to help you when interacting with an executive. I left out a lot of details, which I know means that a lot of assumptions will necessarily be made. I think you're reading into my comment something I didn't do. To give more details on the interaction. There was no…

I owe you a longer response which might not happen, but appreciate you engaging and I acknowledge I made assumptions based on the context that sound like they were wrong - apologies for that.

I think we are on the same page and I hope if you ever run into a problem with a support team I’m close to that you let me know ASAP :)

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