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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by grishka »

asddubs wrote: post #349
grishka wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with iOS is that it's built on the assumption that you can't not trust Apple and their services. An iPhone literally trusts Apple more than it trusts you. It won't let you past the initial setup unless it gets an okay from the mothership. On Android you could at least disable all the Google stuff.

kind of, if you go through 15 different obscure menus and hope you haven't missed any, and some stuff like push notifications you can't not go through google anyway. Google also forced manufacturers to make the location toggle more obscure.

Point being, the ability is still there if you want it. There's microG which is an open-source reimplementation of Google services minus the nasty parts. And even if you do use Google services, you can still sideload apps pretty easily without any Google involvement whatsoever — something that iOS lacks entirely.

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Post by rchaud »

tempodox wrote: post #193
ThePhysicist wrote: post #151

It's quite bizarre that Apple just released an iPad Pro with a CPU that is more powerful than the desktop CPU in my workstation, but then cripples the device by severely restricting what kind of software you can run on it. I mainly use Linux but was looking for a secondary laptop/tablet hybrid for my office needs. I considered getting an iPad but ultimately went for a Surface Pro, which was the right choice I think.…

I remember several articles from the time the iPad came out that phantasized about how the iPad could replace PCs (as in “Personal Computer”) one day, even from Steve Jobs. Today that idea looks nothing but ludicrous. It was Apple themselves that nipped that notion in the bud, no competition required. If you want to do anything other than gaming and media consumption, don't buy an iDevice.

He was right, though. A lot of people were buying $1000 computers to do not much more than check their email, shop online and play Farmville. Those people exist in much larger numbers than power users who need a lot more of full functionality of a PC.

So selling a blown-up iPhone for $500 to that market made more sense than what Android OEMs did, which was advertise Flash compatibility.

That being said, I have only ever owned Android tablets. I dip my toe into iOS and iPadOS every now and then but it always feels too locked down compared to what I'm used to.

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Post by neilparikh »

toxik wrote: post #163
xerox13ster wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a third option but developers very publicly refused to support it and Google worked tirelessly to hamstring it in every way they could. Now we're all crying for a third platform because Apple is too restrictive and Google, surprise (to no one least of all WP users), turned out to be evil and I feel absolutely no sympathy for the tech community, particularly developers who decry the current paradigm. We chose t…

It’s funny that we software developers have been so coddled into thinking that we don’t need unions because we get paid enough for our work. Yet we all know and see these oversteps by companies, taking away our very ability to work our trade as we see fit, piece by piece, inch by inch. I support the EFF, but that’s basically all I know how to do. Imagine if Google’s software developers went on strike every time they…

> Imagine if Google’s software developers went on strike every time they tried to pull another AMP on the open web?

I doubt a non-trivial number of developers (let alone Google Developers) care about things like the "open web".

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Post by stalfosknight »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Apple's privacy and security practices are much more than just "marginally" better.

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Post by sudosysgen »

deelowe wrote: post #229
user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

No. Just no... We need another PC revolution for phones. Not every problem has to be solved by force or coercion.

The problem with the iPhone is a problem of coercion. Apple is exerting legal power and the threat of force to prevent you from doing what you want with your phone pursuant to the DMCA.

If there were no legal restrictions with what you're doing with you're phone, Apple would have a very hard time preventing you from doing what you want. Anyone could buy an exploit for iOS for a million and sell unlocks for 50$.

There is force and coercion involved, so a governmental intervention is much more necessary.

It would also make it way easier to transfer your apps from platform to platform and to switch OSes.

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Post by johnsea »

Ndymium wrote: post #162
johnsea wrote: post #131

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SailfishOS/Jolla is a great option. The problem is, that some important (e.g. banking) apps are missing and cannot be installed/run with the Android emulator. Another problem is, that Sailfish is available only in very few countries, e.g. not in the US.

With Sailfish you also have to give up all the security advancements in Android/iOS, in both good and bad. You can do what you want more freely, but also each app has equal access to all your data. Unless they've implemented some access control in the later versions, but I haven't heard about it.

I believe the permissions are more granular now but I didn't look into it in detail. See: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Android_Compatibility#Permission..., https://sailfishos.org/ (search for security) or https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-apps-permission/5466.

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Post by ksec »

tempodox wrote: post #193
ThePhysicist wrote: post #151

It's quite bizarre that Apple just released an iPad Pro with a CPU that is more powerful than the desktop CPU in my workstation, but then cripples the device by severely restricting what kind of software you can run on it. I mainly use Linux but was looking for a secondary laptop/tablet hybrid for my office needs. I considered getting an iPad but ultimately went for a Surface Pro, which was the right choice I think.…

I remember several articles from the time the iPad came out that phantasized about how the iPad could replace PCs (as in “Personal Computer”) one day, even from Steve Jobs. Today that idea looks nothing but ludicrous. It was Apple themselves that nipped that notion in the bud, no competition required. If you want to do anything other than gaming and media consumption, don't buy an iDevice.

I think it did replace PC for a huge group of people. But at the same time PC isn't dead and it is showing its advantage in many scenario. So we could think of it as both Tablet and PC won. Nothing is winning over the cooperate, enterprise usage of PC and Laptop. A Keyboard and Mouse is still N times more productive than a Tablet. And as long as that continues, ( a iPad with Keyboard and mouse still couldn't win because the software was written specifically for touch screen ) Enterprise wont adopt iPad for those jobs. That is roughly 700M PC there.

Tablet is literally everywhere for those on the Field. From Engineers on site, to Sales going to visit client doing presentation.

The way we should think about it is that Tablet didn't replace PC as "the" computing platform, as the platform itself, the pie grow a lot bigger. There are close to 300M iPad user. That is not a bad figure.

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ThePhysicist wrote: post #151

It's quite bizarre that Apple just released an iPad Pro with a CPU that is more powerful than the desktop CPU in my workstation, but then cripples the device by severely restricting what kind of software you can run on it. I mainly use Linux but was looking for a secondary laptop/tablet hybrid for my office needs. I considered getting an iPad but ultimately went for a Surface Pro, which was the right choice I think.…

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Post by rchaud »

freakynit wrote: post #122

That's fcking my mobile. I paid for it. I own it. If I want to install something on my owned device, who the f is Apple to stop it? Think about it this way: A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way. Or architects telling it to only build their HQ's a certain way. Not as an advice, but, enforced. How ridiculous is that!

> A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way.

Chair suppliers don't have a history of decreeing sitting posture. The iPhone OTOH has been locked down from day 1.

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Post by rchaud »

Spivak wrote: post #308
daemoon wrote: post #130

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> How ridiculous is that! Not as ridiculous as being well aware of the limitations of iPhones wrt to installing applications outside of App Store and still buying one. People should vote with their wallets. Me personally I do not mind the limitations, but if you do - don't buy it.

The phrase "vote with your wallets" should just be eliminated because it's completely meaningless. You're asking to "just" coordinate millions of people to do some collective action or to change their behavior. Do you know what the tool for doing that is called? Government. Vote with your actual votes.

Ironically, there's a big overlap between the "my vote doesn't matter" groups and the "vote with your wallet" groups.
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