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Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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Absolute death by police in 2020: white 457, black 241. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... Population: white 197M, black 40M. https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Race-and-Ethnicit... Per-capita: close to 3 times as many black people shot. I couldn't find clear statistics for unarmed victims. Please post if they're much different.

This site says it's normally close to 2x more unarmed white people shot, so it would still be less per capita. It's still a relatively small number for both; a mid-teens amount of unarmed black people, and a mid to high 20s unarmed white people. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...

Note that we are not sure how many folks are killed by police every year let alone the demographics of those deaths. But even the data we have doesn't look good.

https://policeviolencereport.org/

US police departments are not required to provide this information. It must be collected ad hoc by outside orgs.

Many reports will (I kid you not) list sickle cell disease as cause of death during a police stop.

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Absolute death by police in 2020: white 457, black 241. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... Population: white 197M, black 40M. https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Race-and-Ethnicit... Per-capita: close to 3 times as many black people shot. I couldn't find clear statistics for unarmed victims. Please post if they're much different.

You used to be able to get data on armed vs. unarmed at killedbypolice.net, although it took a bit of effort. The site was simply a chronological list of all the known police killings in the US, for each giving name, age, race, gender, location, and linking to news stories covering the killing. Unfortunately that site shut down, someone else got the name, and it now redirects to RoBarGuns.com, a gun review and buying…

https://policeviolencereport.org/

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

Re: Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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This is pretty trivial to research. https://time.com/5099513/martin-luther-king-day-myths/ > In the 1960s, the vast majority of white people, South and North, disapproved of the movement’s tactics. In a May 1961 Gallup survey, only 22% of Americans approved of what the Freedom Riders were doing, and 57% of Americans said that the “sit-ins at lunch counters, freedom buses, and other demonstrations by Negroes were hurt…

> "You're being divisive!" has long been the cry of the status quo. The arguments made against BLM and Defund - including the "it's communism!" stuff; Just because a complaint has been heard before doesn’t mean it’s wrong, indeed it could just as easily mean it’s being said again because it is valid . Dismissing people who have a valid criticism as ‘the status quo’ to be ignored, is by definition divisive . It is the…

Isn’t this begging the question? “Dismissing criticism of divisiveness is by definition divisive!”

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In reply to your edit, you also need to account for the same training that may or may not be provided in all the other cases. This review article did not highlight any such data, but it likely exists in the research under review or in other available research

Sure — but the point is that given the evidence we’ve discussed so far, there’s no reason to believe de-escalation training is more normative than that disturbing seminar.

There is some suggestion in the presented data that police are asking for normative mental health training.

Can dig into the research to find out if anyone has empirically studied the attitudes of the trainers, themselves.

There is no reason to believe that de-escalation training is less normative than that disturbing seminar, either.

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Our language is full of ambiguities, and this is one. Both interpretations are listed in the Cambridge dictionary. The truth is: clarity require lots of words, and that makes a terrible slogan. Most people react stronger to a slogan than a nuanced discussion, so the messy slogans will remain.

> Both interpretations are listed in the Cambridge dictionary. That is due to a change that was made in the last year. [1]. Historically, that dictionary has defined defund as "to stop providing the money to pay for something". The change to the Cambridge dictionary entry was made recently in response to the "defund the police" discussions, so we can't use the newly changed meaning as always having meant to "divert s…

Thanks so much for providing that context! Amazing to be able to see meaning changing in real-time.

I would prefer language meaning to be more static, it irritates me to hear people using "literally" to mean "really" but we must accept change. It's easier to put on shoes than to carpet the whole world.

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When it comes to analysis of job hazards, death is perhaps the penultimate risk, but to ignore the vast breadth of other job hazards that law enforcement officers are exposed to is an analytical failure. Further compounding the issue is that law enforcement is not the job that the police are often tasked with. Some of the job hazards they are exposed to are due to making inappropriate demands of law enforcement offic…

> When it comes to analysis of job hazards, death is perhaps the penultimate risk, Death is penultimate to... what?

If you're familiar with The Princess Bride, "to the pain".
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