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Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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I absolutely don't believe AWS should be shut down. I do think AWS and Amazon(retailer) should be split up, and thats what a majority of sensible people believe.

Source? I consider myself “sensible”, do not agree with this statement, and haven’t seen any data that would suggest the “majority” would agree.

59% Americans support breaking up big tech.

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/26/22241053/antitrust-google-face...

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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From your other post that I read here: >I just waited until my next stock vesting, then took a severance package and left that rancid shithole. We were working on some retarded dead-end boondoggle of a device, and I'm sure everyone in the org got a frowny face on their report card when it was eventually canceled. I've never met anyone who was happy with their previous employer after getting let go. I don't know the s…

Offtopic: I'm curious to know why you chose to go with a throw-away account. All of your comments in this thread offer a glowing opinion of Amazon; so why the need to go incognito? It's stood out for me because it subverts my expectations - that those with the most vituperative comments would use throw-away accounts to avoid burning bridges.

Ah, I can't blame him for using a throwaway account. People get canned for talking about their companies all the time. Maybe he's got high praise for Amazon today, and then tomorrow he wants to post about something personal

He's definitely delusional if he thinks that the tech world is a meritocracy though. (I doubt that myself and all of my friends/coworkers I've talked to and most of the people who post online just experienced a wacky freak coincidence.. Even the most kool-aid-chugging, gung ho company men I know will admit that there are a lot of politics and backstabbing involved in any big company)

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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No, you don't: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27378836

The link you pointed to mentions how hire managers are looking to hiring as many good people as possible. Of course they are if so many people are being fired. It says that managers who don't perform well will be out. And that was the reason given for why this practice doesn't happen. Wouldn't the existing employees know the system better and be more valuable? Unless you want to get rid of someone it is better to kee…

> Of course they are if so many people are being fired.

You don't seem to understand. Amazon grows by 15-30% every single year.

We're constantly hiring, even if there is no attrition. We also have a high bar. The ~ ratio is 20 phone screens to 4 onsites to 1 hire. That's a lot of work to get a butt in a seat.

> Unless you want to get rid of someone it is better to keep your existing staff.

Only if you presume that every single team has to identify that X% of people for the URA target. They don't. Period. Full Stop. It's a lie.

> Team members can't help the new person because them doing well would mean putting yourself at risk

The #1 thing that gets asked about individuals during yearly operational reviews is "what did they deliver"? We try to identify individual contributions but individuals can't ship. Teams ship.

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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I had joined Amazon as my first job out of school. I was super excited and would not mind working the long hours as the project was interesting. I enjoyed working with my team and manager. Just near the end of the year, my manager quit. The new manager ran my performance review and assessed that my performance didn’t meet expectations. I was not put on PIP. Instead, there would be a development plan that I had to com…

I still can't believe that Amazon measures performance by "numbers of commits" and "SLOC". Pure insanity.

It doesn't, a bad manager (allegedly) did. Having said that, having say 50% fewer commits than your peers is probably a reason to dive-deeper...it could be a good thing, maybe you were unblocking tasks and writing docs, or tackling the thorny issues...but also could be you are less productive.

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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But their market cap hasn’t. Odds are they won’t 5x their size in the next five years as they did in their last five.

That's what people said 5 years ago.

Eventually they'll start being right. Not even Amazon can grow at this pace forever.

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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> When the stock goes from 200 to 3500 in 10 years, and consistently goes up and to the right, you won’t find too many of the workers complaining no matter how bad the job conditions are. Tell that to the guys in logistics who don't get any options and bear the brunt of Amazon's bad management.

Up until a couple of years ago, they did get stock (Amazon doesn't give you options, but stock grants). Not sure if that ended when they made the salary $15. If by 'logistics' you mean the people who pack/ship etc, warehouse work sucks, but Amazon has better salary and conditions than most others (pee bottle jokes aside). If you mean the warehouse supervisors, analysts, etc, they get paid fairly well.

It has the worst results in the industry - most injuries, most turnover.

Where do you get these "better conditions" from?

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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> So, elaborate on your model of the world. Shouldn't the logistic employees already be leaving in droves since they're not getting stock? Why aren't they? Wait, does “logistics” include warehouse, where the article mentions they had reached 150% annual turnover prepandemic? Sounds a lot like “leaving in droves”.

Yeah, they're leaving in droves. They're also arriving in droves, which is why Amazon has been able to withstand 150% turnover. But Amazon is now worried that they've worn out much of the US workforce available for "industrial athlete"positions. (Their term.) The droves of arrivals may slow down to dribbles.

Quite amazing you can interpret "150% turnover" as "arriving in droves".

150% turnover is unconditionally bad.

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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post #280

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I absolutely don't believe AWS should be shut down. I do think AWS and Amazon(retailer) should be split up, and thats what a majority of sensible people believe.

Source? I consider myself “sensible”, do not agree with this statement, and haven’t seen any data that would suggest the “majority” would agree.

Did you try actually looking for any data? It's trivial to find and another poster did your work for you.

-sensible guy who also wants the cruel monopoly broken apart.

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The poor fellow at Amazon can always go to Zillow or Microsoft not really the same as deaths of despair here.

Reminds me of the poor fellow who jumped off a Facebook building because their manager blocked their transfer. I bet you wouldn't tell them "they could have gone to a different company". Visa issues non-withstanding, a rational, hopeful frame of mind is not always available to us at all times. (Not even talking about the stresses of immigrating itself). Depression, despair etc are illogical narrowing our frames of mi…

Hear, hear!

Re: Internal Amazon documents shed light on how company pressures out office workers

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FWIW, I know quite a few people from FAANG and associated companies, and those coming from Amazon are consistently the most unhappy about work there. So, while this may not be universal inside the company, Amazon definitely does have a problem compared to the industry at large.

To be fair, most employees leaving their company are _likely_ to be unhappier than average.

Not necessarily. Jumping around is fairly common practice for those who seek fast promos in large tech companies, because it's usually a faster track to get up to the higher levels than just grinding in place. It's not all that uncommon to find people who went Microsoft/Amazon/Google/Facebook full circle, for example. And they aren't necessarily unhappy about their past stints. But, again, the recurring theme seems to be that Amazon is the worst of the bunch in terms of hours worked (and work/life balance in general) and career opportunities.
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