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Firefox Release 89.0

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Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by dsr_ »

silicon2401 wrote: post #319
sorenjan wrote: post #231

I find it infuriating how designers keep adding more and more whitespace and padding on my desktop computer. If you want to make your UI easier to use on touch devices that's fine, but Windows 10 has a tablet mode that I keep disabled, so there's no reason to assume I'm not using a mouse. If I go to Customize toolbar there's three density options: Touch, Normal, and Compact (not supported). Why aren't there a support…

I miss text that would just wrap along the length of the window. Using Github always infuriates me because I have a nice, wide macbook screen, yet they force code to be displayed in a text box that uses maybe 1/3 of my screen width

That would be Github's fault; if they specifed boxes in percentages they would have different problems...

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by zejn »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #314
jhanschoo wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering how complex the web is, and how technologically complicated a browser needs to be regardless of UX, a car analogy is perhaps more appropriate; and you do have '21 models of cars.

Yet none of these new model cars re-arrange the pedals. They'll change the style of the brake lights, the trim, etc, but the basic "4 wheels, front two steer, wheel turns towards the direction you want to steer, brake, gas pedal" is fixed. But with software (including Firefox) even the operational aspects change, not just the cosmetics.

Even more: with software, everything can and does change overnight.

As if some pervert burgles your garage and does not go stealing, but replacing your car.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by [deleted] »

userbinator wrote: post #28
kevincox wrote: post #10

Does anyone feel that this new UI brings notable improvement? I don't think it is much worse, other than taking some extra vertical space but for the most part my reaction is "meh". I feel like these resources could have been spent much better in other parts of the browser. Am I missing some reason why this is worth the investment?

Because "designers". I'm absolutely sick of this trend of dumbing-down lowest-common-denominator UI, removing useful features and affordances for learning. Insanely huge buttons, rounded corners everywhere, floating controls in a sea-of-white/blackspace... On the bright side, I believe the UI is still highly customisable so it should be possible to make it look exactly as you want, but it's not exactly straightforwar…

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Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by userbinator »

userbinator wrote: post #28
kevincox wrote: post #10

Does anyone feel that this new UI brings notable improvement? I don't think it is much worse, other than taking some extra vertical space but for the most part my reaction is "meh". I feel like these resources could have been spent much better in other parts of the browser. Am I missing some reason why this is worth the investment?

Because "designers". I'm absolutely sick of this trend of dumbing-down lowest-common-denominator UI, removing useful features and affordances for learning. Insanely huge buttons, rounded corners everywhere, floating controls in a sea-of-white/blackspace... On the bright side, I believe the UI is still highly customisable so it should be possible to make it look exactly as you want, but it's not exactly straightforwar…

I'd like some arguments for why this inane trend of UI is occurring, instead of just downvotes... otherwise the "we'll dumb you down so you can't rebel" theory gains more weight! If there's one thing this fucked-up industry is good at, it's lying and pulling the wool over your eyes so they can herd you where they want.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by pseudalopex »

Zababa wrote: post #335
pseudalopex wrote: post #109

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You're right the money could be spent elsewhere. But calling people resources is rude to put it mildly.

> But calling people resources is rude to put it mildly. I don't think it's considered rude, since "Human Resources" is a widely accepted term.

Human resources is just a depersonalizing term for personnel. Design resources is just a depersonalizing term for designers.

Human resources is less bad because it doesn't refer to specific people. And most people can't choose what the department is called. But they can choose what they call other people.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by pseudalopex »

foepys wrote: post #115
pseudalopex wrote: post #98

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They stopped trying to make menus even look native on other systems.

To be honest, Microsoft has given up trying on Windows as well. Every Microsoft application feels different and MS Teams even ignores the Windows notification infrastructure.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by agilob »

dmos62 wrote: post #337
agilob wrote: post #333

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Do they? https://i.imgur.com/Oemlwfo.png

Hm, your tabs don't have favicons. I can still clearly differentiate tabs because of the spacing, though I guess if you had a lot of tabs with very minimal spacing, you might get some visual ambiguity. Personally, the previous design was fine and this one is too. Neither has made any meaningful difference to my user experience. Edit: Scratch that. I've just noticed that tabs can now have a sort of status line, tellin…

>Hm, your tabs don't have favicons.

No, this website doesnt have favicons. I have a dozen other domains bookmarked that don't have favicons.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by btdmaster »

megous wrote: post #320
btdmaster wrote: post #308

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I see when you're coming from, but the last commit (in that section of the tree, granted, not the firmware itself) was 8 days ago. [1] [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin...

Please look closely. All the commits there are tree-wide cleanups, or automated patches, documentation fixes, warning fixes, and mostly adaptations to internal kernel API changes,... This is normal "noise" for all code inside the kernel. That's the reason why having the driver mainline is good. But try to find any other activity since the start of git history in 2005. It doesn't show the driver is in use in the wild.…

Maybe I'm being swayed by my ideological views on licensing, and I understand that pragmatism is important, but if it's not in use in the wild then is that really a good argument for keeping? The status quo is a sensible default, but if the issue at hand is magic bits that are not even licensed under MIT, unlike most of the others that are sprinkled throughout the kernel source, is the cost really that high?

Then again, I fully understand that kernel hackers have better things to do than listen to my ideological quibbles and start removing kernel code that might be important to someone running a hospital with Xeroxes that only work with AppleTalk, but by that point what is the chance that the same hospital would at the same time be going around and updating all the devices to 5.10?

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by pteraspidomorph »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #296
pteraspidomorph wrote: post #111

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Your day to day experience isn't necessarily the same as everyone else's. It hasn't been long since "View page info" was confined to a hidden menu and all context menu labels were changed for absolutely no reason.

I've been trying to find that since it disappeared! Do tell!

In addition to what you've been told this dialog resides in the Tools menu, ALT+T I (ALT opens the classic menu bar). CTRL+I is the menu item's associated shortcut.
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