I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled • Hacker News Board

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by dennis_jeeves » Tue, May 25, 2021, 2:45 PM UTC

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

>I just hope the Californians moving to Texas don't vote for the same laws that made San Francisco such a hole.

History repeats, you can count on it with certainty.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by rsync » Tue, May 25, 2021, 2:50 PM UTC

insert_coin wrote: post #156

yupper32 wrote: post #53

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> This was my third time in SF. > Also, I've always refused to move to Silicon Valley > The author is in denial. > it is a really expensive shithole I'm always amazed by people who have visited a place a few times as a tourist and think "I'm qualified to shit on people who choose to live here". What makes you think you have any say in the situation? SF has massive neighborhood diversity as far as living situations go…

> SF has massive neighborhood diversity as far as living situations go. Yeah, the downtown and tourist areas suck. The fact that you needed to say that says a lot. While describing most cities of the world, most third world country cities of the world, you would never even mention the word feces, much less defend its presence on the streets.

"The fact that you needed to say that says a lot. While describing most cities of the world, most third world country cities of the world, you would never even mention the word feces, much less defend its presence on the streets."

Actually, you might ... I distinctly remember the unaddressed stray dog problem in Buenos Aires (circa 2006) which was not confined to any particular neighborhood or area and resulted in a more feces per block than I have ever seen in San Francisco.

I remember a similar but less pronounced problem in Granada (Spain) where I lived for several months in 2008.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by rsync » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #253

psychomugs wrote: post #251

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I know my photographic rights; I was in public on public property photographing someone else on public property, which is legal in the US [1]. The only illegal happening here was theft on the part of the thief. I realize that you’re probably not based here if you think otherwise. I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. [1] h…

> grabbed him by his hoodie collar, and pinned him down I was referring to the battery. > I’m a photographer and a distance runner and I’m good enough at both to have made money off of them. Both reactions were instinctive. The experiences and training you have had post-birth have no bearing on your innate human instinctual responses, which are shared in common with all members of your species, including the ones tha…

"I was referring to the battery."

Fuck off.

Home (or storefront) invasion is a violent act. Theft is a violent act. We (all of us) have a duty to respond - with violence if necessary.

We need more good people like (psychomugs) in San Francisco and he deserves our thanks.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by kemiller » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:09 PM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #107

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

It's funny how SF has turned into a daylight sociological experiment. Remove enforcement of several crimes and see it have areas reminiscent of 3rd world countries in a matter of years. (But don't expect this to be in any sociological studies, scholars will still blame "lack of education", "lack of opportunities", etc, while those have a role to play, the major factor that changed here is pretty obvious)

Well the problem is that if you only change these policies in one place and don’t follow through on the rest of the chain it’s going to be a disaster.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by underseacables » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:25 PM UTC

I lived in the Noe Valley in 2006-2009 and really loved it. I went back in 2016 and things have changed so horribly. San Francisco is imploding and while the solutions are simple, I don’t get the impression the politicians have the courage to implement them.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by Balgair » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:43 PM UTC

devoutsalsa wrote: post #55

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

Yeah, I lived in the Tendernob neighborhood of SF for almost 10 years. I’d always pass by a lot of what you’re talking about... - At one point I did a lot of walking there and to keep myself entertained I started tracking PPM (poops per mile) - one day I walked by a woman peeing between two cars, and she noticed me & apologized. Later I walked back that same route and saw her again. She thanked me for not yelling at…

Friend of the family was on her way to her HS Prom at City Hall at night with a few friends. Dressed to the nines, going to have a great time under the rotunda with her class.

A homeless guy came up to her and put something wet on her arm, directly in front of city hall. It was a lot of acid. She spent the next few days in the hospital recovering/surviving a very bad trip. She still deals with flashbacks, years later and doesn't go out at night. It was an assault, not violent, but much worse all the same.

It used to be just a 'don't go out after sundown' thing in SF. But now it's pretty much all hours of the day anywhere near Civic Center for women.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by olivermarks » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:48 PM UTC

visualradio wrote: post #265

blululu wrote: post #223

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I really appreciate this post. This is exactly why I thumb through HackerNews comments. From the look of it, CA has ~26% of the nation’s homeless population.

The idea that the majority homeless Californians are 'migrants' from out of state is largely upper class propaganda promoted to avoid discussion of downward mobility caused by high land prices. The problem could be solved by repealing proposition 58 and 13, establishing a state board of commisioners to reappraise all land at the state level at present market valuations, and replacing sales taxes with distributive lan…

'The idea that the majority homeless Californians are 'migrants' from out of state is largely upper class propaganda promoted to avoid discussion of downward mobility caused by high land prices'.

This, like so much of the political data wars over SMI, SA & transients, is partially true in coastal California.

The reality is usually found in non politician friendly audits such as the Sonoma county grand jury findings or the recent California wide audit.

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/state-auditor-releases...

http://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/sites/all/assets/pdfs/general-in...

California has huge numbers of vehicle living transients who understandably migrate from colder and hotter climes across America, half the US homeless according to the recent audit.

The bigger issue locally in California is migration from places like Redding down to the bay area, encouraged by the street grapevine about prop 47 lack of law enforcement, rich pickings and relaxed drug rules. In San Francisco drug dealers are commuting in from the central valley with Meth and Fentanyl, the current core are Hondurans.

The best way to find out what is really going on is to talk to homeless people, ask them where they are from, talk to local emergency response crews and find out about HUD oversight of Continuum of Care, who in turn are supposed to provide oversight of the CDC. I strongly recommend taking politician and 'non profit' pr and stats with a strong pinch of salt...

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by darkhorse22 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:52 PM UTC

MagnumOpus wrote: post #334

darkhorse22 wrote: post #257

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SF is a very densely populated place, so that shouldn't be a surprise (if you live in NYC, I don't believe you).

Lots of people have visited SF as well as more densely populated places both in the US and elsewhere. So have I - and downtown SF is worse (in terms of littering, human excrement, aggressive panhandling, street crime) than the problematic parts of NYC, DC, Philly and Baltimore, worse than densely populated capitals in Latin America or East Asia or Eastern Europe. It's better than Indian cities but that is a very low…

I sort of doubt that you've spent much time in the most problematic parts of DC/Philly/Baltimore. Their peers are Chicago, New Orleans, and St. Louis. Not remotely SF.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by gruez » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:55 PM UTC

redis_mlc wrote: post #16

imgabe wrote: post #6

I'm sure it's skewed because of the Internet, but between Twitter and Hacker News it sounds like San Francisco is basically Somalia now.

I live in SF, and the comments you've seen on HN are accurate. It's not Somalia, but there's always the potential for escalation to violence on the street, in stores and near ATMs - I've seen it. I wouldn't allow any of my family to walk alone anywhere.

You're shadowbanned btw.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by anonfornoreason » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:57 PM UTC

Cookingboy wrote: post #146

anonfornoreason wrote: post #137

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In my social circle, which includes co-workers and families, this is explicitly stated, and it's rationalized with "they deserve more than they have, so if it takes crime to get them more, that's just in my book". I think it's more likely than you expect, at least on the very vocal group that is aggressively pushing the overton window on our views on the social contract.

Next time you should ask them "do you think the all victims of those crimes deserved their fate as well?"

I try not to be aggressive when I engage in these conversations and instead focus on positive solutions based on finding out why they believe what they believe, instead of contrarian “in your face” sort of takes. They aren’t effective in my experience.

Read “the righteous mind” by Jonathan Haidt. Great audiobook too.