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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by misiti3780 »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

As someone who comes from a rural area but drives an EV, my whole issue with trucks is that 90% of the people I know that have trucks do not need them for work, it sort of a status symbol in rural America. A lot of these trucks are huge, not your standard truck, but more like a tank.

Trucks get shitty gas mileage and potentially cause more wear and tear on the public roads, and are definitely not good for the environment.

IMO - Trucks should be taxed accordingly - if you are a farmer or work in construction you get a tax break, if you just want a truck to have one, it's gonna cost you.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Dah00n »

TypeCaste wrote: post #168
ameister14 wrote: post #48

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>Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I think more worrisome is the center console - pedestrian deaths had been going down for 20 years until smartphones became widespread and we've had increases every year since.

I ride a motorcycle, and it seems like 30% of the drivers I see on the road have their phones out.

Me too but the most scary part is that if you are in a truck (a real one) you can see way more phones.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by whatever1 »

The owners will be caught off guard with the horrible range for truck activities (towing, driving in rough terrain, climbing hills, carrying cargo).

On the other hand I suspect that significant fraction of the trucks are just used for commuting in flat suburbia so range will not matter.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by deberon »

ameister14 wrote: post #48
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

>Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I think more worrisome is the center console - pedestrian deaths had been going down for 20 years until smartphones became widespread and we've had increases every year since.

I try to give a "friendly" honk followed by a "hang up" hand gesture. Results range from them putting the phone down and giving a thumbsup to angrily cutting me off and speeding down the freeway.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by na85 »

pokstad wrote: post #280
rootusrootus wrote: post #275

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And think how much better it will be when it isn't covered by the stuff loaded in the bed.

Bed is usually empty, but yea that’s a concern when you’re hauling on a long trip. The trunk also contains the spare tire, so it’s hard to access the spare tire when hauling stuff.

Why do you own a truck if you usually don't use the bed?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Dah00n »

rootusrootus wrote: post #310
csharptwdec19 wrote: post #128

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Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration. This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb. Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power…

> Let us not forget that a lot of 'Car guys' are arguably insane. You might want to look in the mirror. Car threads bring out really destructive attitudes, and mostly not from the 'car guys'. The stuff that gets said here is astounding...

Are you a "car guy"?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by driverdan »

hannasanarion wrote: post #340
bb123 wrote: post #97

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Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

> The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. Crumple zones don't help pedestrians. The new F-150 will be bigger and heavier than the absurdly huge early-00s Hummers. The hood is so tall and long that they're talking about putting forward-facing cameras inside the cab because you can't see anything in front of you shorter than 6" tall out the windshield. If Ford was interested in…

> The new F-150 will be bigger and heavier than the absurdly huge early-00s Hummers.

Citation needed

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by duffyjp »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

We owned a Ford plug-in hybrid. Amazing power, every creature comfort imaginable, great price-- what could go wrong? Sort answer: everything. It was an absolute nightmare. First and last Ford I'll ever buy.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

ajford wrote: post #339
pkulak wrote: post #286

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> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

They're also optimized for having a driver hand-deliver packages from the back of it hundreds of times over an 8hr shift. That's moving entirely different things than you'd move in a truck. A pickup truck would make a shitty parcel delivery truck, and a UPS truck would be a shitty way to move construction materials.

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ben7799 »

jrsj wrote: post #317
pkulak wrote: post #286

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> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

As someone who used to work at a nursery that sold a lot of mulch, sod, etc, there are a lot of things that a typical single family homeowner would want that you absolutely wouldn’t want to transport in an SUV or minivan (which is all that is really worth talking about because pretty much no individual owns the type of delivery vehicle you’re talking about, which are meant for transporting packages anyways). People w…

Good point.

It's also super easy in these situations at a nursery, etc.. that the car or SUV owner has to make multiple trips and waste tons of gas because the vehicle can't hold much.

People who don't own homes too easily forget it's really really common to have jobs around your house/yard where you're dealing with thousands of pounds of supplies.

You can overload an SUV/Wagon/whatever incredibly quickly with sand, mulch, rock, etc.. and it will be nowhere near full.

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