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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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There's a point where this kind of ostracism becomes worse than jail. For many Twitch users, streaming is a substantial part of their social environment or even their full-time job. If I had to choose between a couple weeks in jail and a lifetime ban from working in my industry, or a couple weeks in jail and being banned from all my friend group chats, I'd take jail in a heartbeat.

On the other hand, one person's ostracism is another's right of association. It is just as wrong to force someone to work with a person they do not want to work with, as long as that reason is justifiable (i.e. not a protected class)

For Twitch and other corporations it seems like it's not the "right of association", but more the "sin of association" that makes them heavy handed towards individuals with banning, censoring and demonetizing:

The extreme social media dynamics somehow holds these corporations accountable for any wrongdoings someone might post on their platforms which is impossible to prevent or moderate in a timely fashion. They respond with more sophisticated and sweeping algorithms that lead to self-censorship by content creators and unexpected actions like shutting down the demoscene event a few days ago.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

To add a little extra context to what other people are giving you: large, million-dollar digital tournaments stream on Twitch because they have no other choice if they want to reach viewers. ESL signed a deal with Facebook streaming that destroyed their viewership numbers because people go to Twitch to watch, not the website for the tournament. Organizers have clearly seen this and will not move their stream to another provider unless a large amount of money changes hands (like Facebook sponsoring ESL).

Additionally, Twitch will not allow banned users to appear on other streams including tournament streams. There was a kerfluffle recently where a Twitch-banned player was also banned from a tournament they tried to compete in, solely because the tournament organizer didn't want to jeopardize their streamability.

I hope I've impressed upon you that a Twitch ban is effectively a ban on all opportunities that involve money in the esports scene. There are incredibly few esports careers that could survive a Twitch ban, and not a single one would be unaffected.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

It's a website, not a court of law

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Twitter is a company, not a court of law. Trump tarnished their reputation like nobody else, so they ceased doing business with him when it was convenient. This was facilitated by him flagrantly violating their rules for years, culminating in the riot he incited via their platform. It's as simple as that.

Tarnished? No. Twitter was in the news every day. They profited massively, but now that his presidency is over there is no interest anymore.

Precisely. They can have their cake and eat it too. That they attracted a lot of eyeballs while he was in office doesn't mean they want to be "that website that Trump rants on" forever.

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Making a hostile environment at work probably isn't protected, though, and that's what carrying a swastika flag on national television will make. As soon as I know a coworker is running about carrying a swastika flag, I can never feel safe around that coworker again.

But what someone does outside of work and not involving coworkers is, by definition, not a part of the workplace environment. Treating everything about a person as within scope for personal concern is one of the things that really strongly turns people against each other. It shouldn't matter what someone believes or does on their own time, whether it's a right-leaning company with a gay employee, or a left-leaning co…

That's not reasonable, and I don't think anyone truly believes that. For instance, if a black guy's boss talks about attending a Ku Klux Klan meeting, you can't honestly argue that said boss leaves that all at home when they meet at work in the morning.

Wherever you are on the political spectrum, I'm sure you can imagine someone engaging in some form out outside-work activities that would make you feel personally unsafe at work. If that person got fired, not for their beliefs but for their actions, then, well, that's the consequence of making a hostile workplace.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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So you want the government to force private companies to continue doing business with someone they no longer wish to provide services to? We aren't talking protected class here, we're talking private companies picking and choosing who to do business with via non-discriminatory means. That's called a free market. Will they be restored if they're proven innocent? Maybe. Maybe not. Again, that's called a free market.

Why does everyone talk about the government forcing companies to do things whenever somebody criticizes a company policy? A company can be criticized without the speaker implying that there needs to be legislation.

Why does everyone talk about the government forcing companies to do things whenever somebody criticizes a company policy?

Because there are plenty of people claiming companies are being unconstitutional and/or that there should be laws that prevent companies from taking actions like banning people from platforms/etc.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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It would be much better if they stated they have sole discretion of who can use their site while adhering to the law. No other justifications needed.

People get upset when these policies are put in place but selectively applied. Companies try to appear unbiased, but it's too lofty of a goal (for technical and ideological reasons). Why they are not straightforward about their policies probably has something to do with why google dropped "Don't be evil".

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #352

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

To add a little extra context to what other people are giving you: large, million-dollar digital tournaments stream on Twitch because they have no other choice if they want to reach viewers. ESL signed a deal with Facebook streaming that destroyed their viewership numbers because people go to Twitch to watch, not the website for the tournament. Organizers have clearly seen this and will not move their stream to anoth…

In a way you have affirmed parent’s point: it’s the shareholders’ website, and they can mod it as they wish.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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>How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least.

Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept so I'm not sure it supports your argument.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

At some point a website stops being just a website and becomes a social institution in itself. And with great power comes great responsibility.
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