The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram • Hacker News Board

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Post by giantrobot » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

ogurechny wrote: post #337

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It didn't though. By the time of Doom's release video games (console and PC) were a multi-billion dollar industry. Only a quarter of households had PCs and none had Internet access. Even by 2000 only half of all households had a computer and only about 40% had Internet access. Doom was not some watershed moment in entertainment. It was a trend setter, or at least a meme, in the industry but it didn't somehow change t…

Internet was neither the only computer network available to consumers, nor the first one. Users had been pretty connected even before they started having IP addresses. Also, Internet is not a synonym of World Wide Web.

Most consumers didn't have computers. Let alone modems or any online service. Consumers were not pretty connected when Doom was released and wouldn't be for until the end of the decade. Businesses and schools with Internet access were 1) decidedly not consumer systems and 2) not the target market for video games.

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Post by scubazealous » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 5:27 AM UTC

Flowsion wrote: post #336

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Its not arrogance- it is confidence. We've been doings like this for twenty years. We made Potato Phones in 2002 before a potato phone was a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo3StA3INws Youtube is lame- our work is also archived on Internet Archive and other places- this is a 172 gb master of one of our films https://archive.org/details/heartstringmarionette Flag? I don't see a flag. I see text. The "try too har…

You literally had to link to YouTube to show us your work.. You don't see the irony in that?

We should be considered lucky he shares his work with us at all.

HN likes to hate youtube (rightfully) but there is no better platform for discovery, sharing, and analytics.

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Post by swayvil » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

airhead969 wrote: post #126

keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

I find talking on the phone to be excruciating. I'm fine in person but there's just something about the phone. It's like jerking off a quarter-inch dowel-rod with a pair of salad tongs. Cosmically awkward.

I love texting. And email is basically texting.

I'm thinking of getting one of those wrist phones so I can voice-text everything.

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 5:50 AM UTC

imaginationra wrote: post #324

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Special sandboxes with purple sand surrounded in velvet ropes only the cool kids know about. And with unlimited fresh lemonade, chocolate milk, and warm chocolate-chip cookies. You can almost see one during the winter solstice.

This is where the cool kids hang out- at this concert in Funland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tk5REKdZso

> where the cool kids hang out- at this concert in Funland https://www.youtube.com/watch...

YouTube?

No own ground? Sovereign space?

This is the same sandbox everyone else is in.

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Post by FooBarBizBazz » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 6:03 AM UTC

randomdude402 wrote: post #304

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And for thousands of years the churches have been saying, "The culture isn't going to give you that."

I don't understand why churches would say that, when they were the cornerstone of culture until a few tens of years ago.

I think AnimalMuppet is talking about more evangelical churches, whereas you are talking more about what used to be called "mainline" churches.

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Post by philosphyreply » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 6:05 AM UTC

keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

For me, the point of the original article wasn’t how to be authentic in theory or why people try to be, but how are people trying and what are some of the ways that seem noteworthy?

And I think it’s really interesting if there is really a social undercurrent, especially in new generations, that political and social engagement is futile, and instead people are trying to invent new disengaged futures.

It resonates with me, at least.

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Post by giantrobot » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 6:13 AM UTC

juststeve wrote: post #285

giantrobot wrote: post #203

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It didn't though. By the time of Doom's release video games (console and PC) were a multi-billion dollar industry. Only a quarter of households had PCs and none had Internet access. Even by 2000 only half of all households had a computer and only about 40% had Internet access. Doom was not some watershed moment in entertainment. It was a trend setter, or at least a meme, in the industry but it didn't somehow change t…

Shareware and distribution of the game through the internet was a watershed moment that helped sell a lot of Wolfenstein and doom in 1992 and 1993. It is doubtful that a company like Nintendo would distribute a game like doom. PS was a few years after that. Are these statements correct, or hyperbole?

Wolfenstein and Doom's nature as shareware was much less about the Internet distribution but distribution by third parties on physical media. They were almost universally available on magazine cover discs and anyone else shipping CD-ROMs. IIRC even Blender magazine had at least one issue shipping a copy of Doom.

While id was certainly an Internet aware company in 1993 most consumers were not.

Keep in mind in 1993 a minority of households even had computers. A minority of those users even had modems. Even when they did have computers with modems connecting to a "local" BBS could still be a local toll call.

A copy of that month's PC Gamer was much cheaper than a modem and got you not just Doom but hundreds of megabytes of other crap. Cover discs were still a big deal even towards the end of the decade where home Internet access was more common.

As for the PlayStation, it was released in the Japan in 1994 and the US in 1995. Doom was released at the end of 1993 so it's contemporaneous with the PlayStation. The PSX had Doom-quality 3D games (including Doom itself) for a fraction of what a good Doom running PC cost.

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Post by the_only_law » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 6:15 AM UTC

deliveryboyman wrote: post #66

twobitshifter wrote: post #48

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Maybe Reddit as a whole, but what are your thoughts on WallStreetBets? It seems that WSB has all of the elements of a counterculture, although maybe diluted after the wide spread GME interest.

WSB is a shade of its former self now due to the onslaught of new members

I remember popping into r/WSB towards the end of the first wave of GME stuff and it seemed to be nothing more that what’s described on reddit as a “circlejerk”. It was also interesting to see a dozen different spin-offs when searching for it. Maybe it was like that before but everything felt forced and unnatural as if the new users were attempting to “fit in” by imitating the culture and vocabulary.

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Post by 8ytecoder » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 6:20 AM UTC

Jtsummers wrote: post #345

lc9er wrote: post #322

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The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

Turn off notifications. Text is inherently asynchronous letting you answer when you can. Phone calls that aren’t for a conversation are much more intrusive.

Exactly. Texting gives control to the receiver on how and when to respond. Calling takes away that control.

I wish voice messages were more common though. In iMessage you could simply place your phone near your ear and start talking to send a voice message. I don’t see many people use that or even aware of that.

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Post by bsder » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 6:23 AM UTC

krick wrote: post #284

airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

> On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text.

And I'm just as annoyed when someone keeps sending me texts when a 5 minute call would have been far more efficient. If we have sent more than 3 back and forths in text, it's time to switch to a call.

For me, the twenty-somethings are terrible about this. They are just absolutely allergic to voice communication.