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Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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Humans might try, but the same study says they're not good at it with only 55 percent accuracy.

The 55% accuracy is a from a cite about a different study with a different set of photos and a different question. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232255935_Accuracy_...

Oh, that's really important. It's the only important comparison - I don't believe 72% means anything on its own. The study either needs to try the exact same methodology on humans, or to find a metastudy that consistently shows humans perform well below that on these tests.

To be fair to the authors, the information isn't hidden. It's prominent in the introduction, just not in the abstract.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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The dataset was not restricted to voters.

Do you have data that includes non-voters? I haven't seen any; most polls are limited to voters.

There were tons of national polls done for Trump's approval that included all adults (instead of likely or registered voters). Trump fared noticeably worse in the polls of all adults throughout his presidency.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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If coloured people begang doing things that very much looked like what others have suffered through as slaves they would most definitely be called out. Israel is not like the Nazis but they are one of the closest things we have seen since and not just a single fluke but again and again.

> If coloured people begang doing things that very much looked like what others have suffered through as slaves they would most definitely be called out. They do, and they aren't.

What are who doing and not being called out for?

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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There's an avalanche of people commenting on this who didn't bother to check the article before raising their methodological objections, so let's get these out of the way here. - Yes, they controlled for objects appearing in the pictures that might indicate political affiliation. The images are tightly cropped around the face. See Methods. - Yes, this is significantly better than both a coin flip and a human classifi…

> - Yes, this is significantly better than both a coin flip and a human classifier. They gave the same test to humans, who did much worse than the model. See Abstract, Introduction, and Results. Where do they say that they gave the same test for to humans? All I find is the reference [15] that points to https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232255935_Accuracy_... that cite a previous article about a different set…

They very much didn't. Downvoted the GP for taking the snarky tone about "an avalanche of people commenting on this who didn't bother to check the article before raising their methodological objections", but then mis-characterizing the methodology himself.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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This is a fascinating result. On the other hand it is also telling .. and maybe dangerous? If we can predict political orientation, can we predict if someone is gay? If he is jewish? What comes next?

Would't this legitimate all these voices who ever said I can tell you by just looking?

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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There's an avalanche of people commenting on this who didn't bother to check the article before raising their methodological objections, so let's get these out of the way here. - Yes, they controlled for objects appearing in the pictures that might indicate political affiliation. The images are tightly cropped around the face. See Methods. - Yes, this is significantly better than both a coin flip and a human classifi…

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Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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As someone who's studied facial expression in cartooning and tried to track down how that's done through face muscles, this tracks.

Not only that, it is hackable, and somewhat mutable… and I think that can reflect back into one's general attitude on life. I'm going to share some personal notes on my own face hacking done to serve my purposes as a youtuber and open source coder…

The key phrase here is, "The highest predictive power was afforded by head orientation (58%), followed by emotional expression (57%). Liberals tended to face the camera more directly, were more likely to express surprise, and less likely to express disgust." People will respond to you based on what your face is doing, and be more or less favorably disposed to you if you 'match' where they're at.

Guy Kawasaki's on record as trying to maximize his ability to Duchenne smile (crinkle the outside edges of the eyes as your cheeks go up) in order to better influence others. You can make special efforts to dry your skin there, the better to form heavy wrinkles that can come into play, signalling affability and well-disposedness as a proper Duchenne smile would do.

But there's another area. If you fret a lot, or glower, your brow comes down and wrinkles form where your brow meets your nose. This signals suspicion, disgust, hostility. My face-hacking involves putting Nivea cream there and on my forehead, keeping that skin more flexible and mobile, for a more open affable look. But if you're targeting a conservative audience you can do the opposite: look at Tucker Carlson sometime. You can cultivate a world-weary scowl and it will increase your trust with people sharing a similar facial expression, and tend to concentrate your viewer's expressions into ones similar to your own (while you tell them scowl-worthy things), so long as you have their basic trust to start with.

This is all very malleable. Very hackable. You can do it on purpose. I don't know if Tucker Carlson does scowl exercises, but I know if he botoxed his brow scrunch, he would be less effective as a political commentator, because he would be telegraphing the intended reaction to his information more weakly.

We're looking at a general connection between human resting facial expression, and human overall outlook on life. I didn't expect to run across this study but I find it absolutely plausible. Almost axiomatic. You can even frame it in ways that appear to favor one political side or the other, but the underlying principle tells us a lot about how political orientations arise.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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This isn't a study that shows that people's faces indicate their political leanings. It's a study which shows that pictures that people select to represent themselves publicly have features that indicate political leaning.

One can only wonder what the result would be by using the equivalent of government ID photos (neutral expression, no smile or make-up, solid backgrounds).

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

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I think it's yet another situation where everyone is escalating hard from "hey, there are some stereotypes in this particular media that are problematic when presented uncritically". That initial idea somehow turns into, "The left hates Dr. Seuss" and wild slippery slopes about book burning.

The left is literally pushing for the banning of a childhood classic with no racial problems. No slippery slope needed.

That isn't true. There was a scholarly paper that came out in 2019 observing that a few of Dr Seuss's many children's books included racial stereotypes that are dated to the point of being offensive, and that Geisel/Seuss had also produced a lot of adult cartoons that were overtly racist, a complicating factor for educators who used his books to to educate children about discrimination.

https://sophia.stkate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1050&c...

Recently the publisher announced it was going to stop selling those - I think it was 6 books out of 107 in the catalog. There was no pressure campaign or wave of outrage driving it.

Perhaps you should choose better news sources, as the ones you are using seem to be serving you poorly.

Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy

#360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 55% accuracy is a from a cite about a different study with a different set of photos and a different question. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232255935_Accuracy_...

Oh, that's really important. It's the only important comparison - I don't believe 72% means anything on its own. The study either needs to try the exact same methodology on humans, or to find a metastudy that consistently shows humans perform well below that on these tests. To be fair to the authors, the information isn't hidden. It's prominent in the introduction, just not in the abstract.

Why does this need to be better than humans to be interesting?

It's still extremely interesting to me that a program can determine with over 70% accuracy a person's political orientation from a cropped photo, without taking age sex or race into consideration.

Among other things, it means it can do that to 10 million photos, which you'd have to pay a lot of humans to do if you wanted it done otherwise.

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