In Defense of Myers Briggs (2020)

Post by Bodell » Fri, Mar 05, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

mancerayder wrote: post #349

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I do not believe I mentioned a single thing that you are talking about in your comment. I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about in your comment. You seem to have quite the bone to pick with postmodernism, something I left completely left unaddressed about Peterson. I only implied that saying men will become fascists if they are feminized is ludicrous. Does "postmodernism" mean feminizing men? And I suggest t…

We're not going to debate the ins and outs of whether his views or crazy or correct, not least because I don't agree with many of them, but also because I'm not interested in playing devil's advocate. I just think it's not fair to quote - anyone - out of context, referencing a Wikipedia collection of a few quotations, and finger that as proof of insane or bad or incorrect views. Your explanation of his views is about…

You have accused me of saying many things thus far that I have emphatically not said. Which I would point out is worse than not providing "full context". I specifically stated that it would be silly to think everything Peterson said was false. I made almost no explanation of his views that were my own words other than accusing a portion of it to be Calvinistic thinking. If you think there are finer points in believing in hierarchical superiority amongst genders because of "Genesis" feel free to let me know as I must be too unsophisticated to recognize the nuance.

In fact I have not much of a clue as to anything of the things your referring too and lack the imagination to see a context larger than what those quotes establish. I have watched a bit of his videos, they are full of outrageous and unsubstantiated claims, often self defeating, and because of that, to your point, are hard to summarize. There seems to be beliefs that Peterson holds that are dear to you in some way, and I'm sure a great many of them have merit. Feel free to debate Marx, Foucault, WWII, etc. but if you claim the pecking order is the way it should be due to "nature" and "god" expect some kick back. Such as I would have expected a person, who believes those quotes to not be reflective of Peterson's views, would have said exactly what they believe them to have meant instead. Did he not imply that feminism leads to fascism, does he in a more complex way than I can see supporting gender equality? What are these enlightenment ideas that I missed? Not sarcasm, here, I really do not know what you mean.

I'm sorry if quoting the New Yorker, Wikipedia or the man himself is sub-par to your standards. If you have some better sources I'd be glad to hear you out.

Post by pseudalopex » Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 1:04 AM UTC

Twisol wrote: post #315

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Helpful is subjective. I don't feel like sharing something personal here though. Do you take the time to understand everyone you meet, their motivations, their goals, and their challenges? Even the ones who don't want you to?

> Do you take the time to understand everyone you meet, their motivations, their goals, and their challenges? Even the ones who don't want you to? To the degree our relationship warrants. Don't you? We all form mental models of the people we interact with over time. I don't see how the MBTI helps that process. As mentioned, for some people who have interacted with me, it has hindered that process by establishing a to…

In other words, there are a lot of people you don't get to know as individuals really.

You don't have to understand how something helps other people to understand they find it helpful. Any tool can be misused of course.

You seem more interested in belittling other points of view than understanding. I'm done.

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