70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers • Hacker News Board

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by gooseus » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #306

gooseus wrote: post #235

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My impressions is that everyone whinging about privacy with regards to giving seditionists and terrorists a space to coordinate and share misinformation after the biggest attack on the US since 9/11 are just being contrarian or are absolutist to a fault in their libertarian ideals (which I mostly share). People minimizing this attack and not treating it like a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis for the US are not consideri…

>People minimizing this attack and not treating it like a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis We're still getting groped by the TSA and wrapping up a war from the last time we had a 9/11 scale crisis. We were tricked into spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives invading a nation that had nothing to do with it and we gave some of the less savory government agencies a lot of power which they still have not return…

I think there is a big difference between invading two countries and passing the PATRIOT act and the reaction we're seeing here.

All this "hold on and let's make sure we're not being too unfair to far-right extremists" while they actively recruit and plan more attacks sounds like an under-reaction from a fear of over-reacting.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by j16sdiz » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

hannasanarion wrote: post #176

bdefore wrote: post #103

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I can think of one benefit of going through Wikileaks (or WaPo): there would be a review by experts of what is legal/responsible to share, redacting for example driver's license uploads.

Wikileaks doesn't vet anything, their policy is to publish whatever they're given. That's why Snowden specifically didn't take the NSA leaks to them.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/WikiLeaks

>> WikiLeaks had originally followed a policy of redacting personal or sensitive information from documents prior to release,...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by dvlsg » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

foolfoolz wrote: post #250

astrea wrote: post #214

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Didn't we learn from 4/8chan that letting people post whatever they want (semi-)anonymously leads to disgusting behavior?

reddit is the same thing. not all of 4chan is bad. not all of reddit is bad. but there is bad on both. it has nothing to do with the website it’s the format

The difference is that reddit at least tries to moderate calls to violence and hate speech.

They don't always do a good job of it, though.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by papaf » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

BlueTemplar wrote: post #227

papaf wrote: post #144

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Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it. I feel the same way about Facebook [1]. This is not whataboutism. I truly believe Facebook should also be shutdown for its role in Genocide. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

I have a big issue with the importance of Facebook in this specific story (even if something similar will almost certainly happen or already have happened elsewhere) : I have been to Myanmar. The kind of people that they are talking about overwhelmingly are too poor to afford Internet/Facebook !

About 30% of the population: https://napoleoncat.com/stats/facebook-users-in-myanmar/2018...

Its enough to raise a mob.

Facebook are also central to the investigation: https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/how-facebook-is-complicit-in...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

muspimerol wrote: post #258

sanedigital wrote: post #221

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Talk about hyperbole. In no way did even 1% of the population on Parler want mass executions for people like you.

There's no hyperbole in the comment. It can still be a safe haven for extremists even if most of the users are not.

Should we still have due process in the external world? After all, the United States is a "safe haven" for people who talk about killing pretty much every minority group under the sun.

> the world is a little more complex than "privacy at all costs."

The line doesn't have to do with the infringement of privacy, it's about whether that infringement is being done by publicly sanctioned power, or the whim of the arbitrary, domineering power of private (tech) actors. Elizabeth Anderson has written quite well on this topic in "Private Government."

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by nilkn » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #347

nilkn wrote: post #336

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And now there are folks right here in this thread who will assume the absolute worst about you and try to ruin your life. I wish you the best of luck in surviving this. This is why it's not reasonable to paint every account there as that of a terrorist.

Why would they? Because he did nothing? Or because he was 'present'? Accounts that monitor something are not going to run with the crowd in their act. See also: the historian who documented a lot of the mayhem on the 6th from inside the crowd.

Because they're not going to investigate all 4+ million Parler accounts to distinguish between those involved and those not. Many folks here are just assuming everyone on Parler was a terrorist or complicit in what happened. The poster's name and phone number are now lumped in with everyone else's. All we can hope is they made the effort to use fake information.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by onion2k » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

wassenaar10 wrote: post #75

devwastaken wrote: post #55

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"the media". You're not being honest, you either havent used the platform or are deliberately lying here. Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it.

> Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it. So all social media then

No, because most social media platforms don't freely allow the organization of violent mobs. Twitter, Facebook, etc will ban you for doing that. Even, as it turns out, if you're the POTUS.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whatiscomputer » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

austincheney wrote: post #298

vsareto wrote: post #108

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>and naive engineers who are willingly ignorant in their security practices. Fairly sure we could replace algorithm and data structure whiteboard interviews with security interviews and we'd all be better off

I am certain most software engineers would abysmally fail the Security+ exam, which is the entry level for security practice. But a far more expedient process is to just give candidates an essay exam to see if they are functionally literate in their profession.

Can you outline what you might expect in an essay exam for a software engineer position?

Would it take the form of a standard interview question:

"Write a few paragraphs on what happens when you press a key on the keyboard"

Or would it use the medium to ask a question less appropriate in an oral interview process?

Genuinely curious what you envision with this format.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by pavel_lishin » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

jjice wrote: post #170

dingusthemingus wrote: post #50

Wiki says Parler is a team of 30 people, So realistically, does that mean like 10 devs running a social network with 5-10 million users? I imagine its pretty ceazy there right now after getting booted off AWS, google just banned u off play store, so cant use them, i assume they cant use microsoft because theyll ban them there as well, it would be cool to see if they are able to get things up and running again. (Ive n…

I was thinking about it this morning. They probably didn't have an easy time finding new employees too because of the nature and controversy associated with the site, potentially part of the reason for lack of moderation. Not defending, just observing. It's interesting from a business/development perspective when it comes to rapid scale and team size.

> They probably didn't have an easy time finding new employees too because of the nature and controversy associated with the site, potentially part of the reason for lack of moderation.

Maybe, but I would wager that there are a lot of tech people who sympathize explicitly with the people that Parler is trying to attract, and an even larger contingent who would work there under the auspices of protecting what they believe is the right to free speech, etc.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jacquesm » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

nickysielicki wrote: post #255

maurys wrote: post #57

While I understand that Twilio is probably not at fault for the actual leak, I'm curious if they gave Parler some time to migrate/shift before cutting them off from their services. It's easy not to care since Parler is the "bad guy" here, but I do think that Internet infrastructure companies need to give a reasonable heads-up before pulling the rug under business customers.

This whole ordeal really sours Twilio in my mind. Whereas AWS can plausibly claim that they don't want to host illegal content, what can Twilio say for themselves here? From Twilios perspective, providing Twilio's core product to Parler isn't any different than serving them to other platforms. They have no responsibility or liability. The lack of moderation on Parler is irrelevant when Twilio isn't involved with movi…

You don't actually have to fail open. That was a decision on parlers' end, they could have decided to fail closed just the same. A service outage on Twilio would have had the same effect.