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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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charonn0 wrote: post #327
Hippasus wrote: post #305

I will not be taking anything under any sort of widespread social pressure or appeals to authority. I fundamentally lack trust in modern medicine and society in general to the point that it doesn't matter what "scientific evidence" says. Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. Humanity cannot be trusted to act intelligently and empathically on a collective level. I'm a sk…

> Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. That's more of a religious thing.

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by parliament32 »

mombul wrote: post #206
parliament32 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sums it up pretty well. I'm not opposed to vaccines, and probably have had a lot more than the average HNer, but I feel like I'm being "sold" this a bit too hard... question everything, as they say.

Well, there IS a pandemic. So there IS a good reason for "selling it" "a bit hard". It will literally save lives and end a world-wide economy-crippling disease. Now I agree the process was quicker than usual, that it brings up a lot of questions. But it's the studies we should question, the efficiency, the long term effects. The way it's sold and "advertised" is just equally as dramatic as the disease it's trying to…

"It will" is a strong choice of words. The root of the matter is I don't, personally, trust the people doing the selling.

It varies by region but where I'm from, back in April-ish, we were sold: "just two weeks of lockdowns and the virus will die out! everything will be back to normal!". So we did. Businesses shut down, transit basically stopped running, our downtown core was a wasteland. Everyone parroted "stay safe, stay home" back and forth at each other and sat at home for a few weeks. It sucked, everyone had a bad time, lots of busineses had to go out of business, but we all were told it was for the greater good and it'll be worth it. And... it didn't do shit.

Now here we are again. Odds on, in a few months, it'll be either "turns out this vaccine doesn't protect you as well as we thought", or "turns out it only protects you for six months", or "turns out the virus mutated so the vaccine isn't effective at all anymore"? In exchange for, what, testing not only a new vaccine, but a whole new method of vaccination on yourself? Whether that's worth it to you or not is a personal choice, but "it will literally save lives and end [the disease]" is firmly TBD.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by pc86 »

_5yoy wrote: post #96
nostromo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to worry about who should go first. They will be rolling it out based on need. When it's available to you, go get it.

Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.

I know the anti-administration circle jerk is pretty strong here but the administration actually doesn't have much of any control over the roll-out plan. I have physician friends with reservations for vaccinations as early as next week. There are hundreds of people working on the roll-out plan.

Trump isn't sitting in the Oval deciding which Walgreens are getting the vaccine when.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #38
Austin_Conlon wrote: post #17

I'm curious to hear people's rationales for 2) and 3).

I voted to wait. It's because I'm in an age and fitness bracket where I'm unlikely to be in serious danger from becoming infected, and a lifestyle bracket where I'm unlikely to be infected at all. I expect supply will be limited at first, so someone staring down a lot more risk than I am should get it.

Thats not a choice. You are forced to wait until more at risk people get it. The question is, when it is available to you, will you take it or wait.

Also your logic relies on false assumptions. You are not likely to get seriously ill from the virus. You are still just fine, get the virus and be infected.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by bscphil »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #250
majormajor wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could use some elaboration. Have you been in all three of those countries recently? Or "watched" meaning "saw people talking about online" or such? Or something in between?

I was in Germany in October and with the individual the day they took the second shot. France is a professional contact who mentioned it on the phone, as is China. Same thing happened with tests a few months ago in Palo Alto. Billionaires with boxes of them at their homes while public stocks ran low.

Even taking all this at face value, I think the reason so many of your comments are downvoted is that they're sort of off topic for the original suggestion, which was that the government should not be trusted to handle rollout of the vaccine in a safe or fair manner. That would include giving people in positions of power or with a lot of wealth some loophole to legally be vaccinated ahead of schedule.

What you're talking about is literally a black market. The people you are hanging out with are literally criminals, who are at best injecting themselves with an unknown substance provided by criminal doctors. Most of us probably wish to see such people prosecuted.

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Post by Kliment »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #273
ichbinwiederda wrote: post #239

From what I read it seems people who are young and not otherwise at risk don't really need to take the vaccine as it doesn't inhibit transmission (results not concluded but very likely it does not). In any case it is unlikely it will be available to you if you fall in this demographic anyway.

I have not seen any information that it likely does not inhibit transmission. All I have seen is that we don't have data on this. AFAIK, every other vaccine on the planet inhibits transition. Do you have a source?

No vaccine can entirely prevent transmission of an airborne pathogen that replicates in the upper airways - there's not enough blood flow there, so some replication will always happen before the immune system reacts sufficiently, and during that time transmission is possible. However, all available data suggests that the vaccine-initiated immune response would dramatically reduce the transmission probability by both reducing viral load and reducing the time window for successful transmission. This effect has not been measured with this particular vaccine because it can only be measured for a very short period immediately after infection. It's very hard to do this unless you intentionally trigger an infection and that's why we have no data. (This is called a "challenge study" and it's been done with animals but not humans. There's a plan to do one with volunteers in January.)

Lots of anti-vaccine fuckers have latched onto the "it can't prevent transmission" part of this and are using it to discredit vaccines. Lots of people with insufficient information are repeating this statement because they don't know better.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by timr »

oldie wrote: post #249
markkanof wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do these vaccines prevent a person from spreading the virus? I've heard a number of times that these will prevent the person who got the vaccine from getting sick, but that it won't prevent them from spreading the disease. If that is the case then I could understand why a young healthy person would not want the vaccine as the risk to them from covid is extremely low.

For young people, the risk of death is low, but even young people can suffer from long Covid: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470 >.

That paper doesn't show what you're claiming, because it lacked a control group. They explicitly say so:

"The authors observed that neither symptoms nor blood investigations were predictive of organ impairment.

“Causality of the relationship between organ impairment and infection cannot be deduced, but may be addressed by longitudinal follow-up of individuals with organ impairment,” the authors said."

The paper took 201 people who self-reported as long Covid sufferers, and found that 66% of them had something that could be characterized as "organ impairment" when a whole-body MRI scan was conducted. It's not at all clear that this would differ significantly from any random group of people whom you stick in a whole-body MRI scan (let alone a group of people who had recently recovered from any other viral illness). Which is why we don't do them.

Thus far, ~all such "long Covid" research has been anecdotal and/or uncontrolled. The evidence quality is quite poor.

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Post by grumple »

_5yoy wrote: post #96
nostromo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to worry about who should go first. They will be rolling it out based on need. When it's available to you, go get it.

Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.

The US has managed to get the population vaccinated previously, and adults will be in charge of the executive again in a month or so. Unfortunately, that’s too late when it comes to ordering enough of the mRNA vaccines, but it will help to have the pandemic taken seriously.

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Post by vmurthy »

1. I stay in Australia where the prevalence of Covid-19 is really really low however my parents stay in India and if either of us were to visit each other, I'd prefer all of us vaccinated and even then we'll not be socialising with the extended family. Reason being that the vaccines so far have proven to be effective in preventing disease if someone is infected but no proof yet on whether they prevent transmission/infection as well
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