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Post by romanoderoma »

criddell wrote: post #321
romanoderoma wrote: post #308

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Or a desktop with 64 GB of RAM and two previous generation GPUs

64 GB? From where? I just looked at Dell and an XPS desktop with 16 GB of RAM starts at $650. You aren't going to be able to add two GPUs and a monitor for $350. At HP you can get to 32 GB for $650 but again you still need to buy GPUs and a monitor.

64GB of ram cost A lot of studios sell their old GPU (as in a generation ago) for cheap

If you stay out of vertical integrated supply chains you can buy the best your budget allows

If you are saying that you cannot assemble a laptop of the same quality of an Apple one, I agree

If you are saying that Apple laptops are what people want because they consume 20 watt full load, I disagree

The market of the good enough products is always gonna be larger than 'the best money can buy'

Apple will never make 'good enough products' hence they are not competing with the bulk of what is being sold right now

It could change in the future, but not in the immediate future IMO

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Post by saagarjha »

pathartl wrote: post #314
saagarjha wrote: post #222

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You don’t just go and make ever part of your chip architecture wider by being clever. Well, there was probably some cleverness involved, but it’s not like this has been a one-off trick.

By clever I mostly mean, from what I've seen from reports, handling stuff like transition from x86 to arm by baking in instruction translation into the die. Their approach with some things is a bit different from what others are doing, but it's not like they wholly invented a new 2nm process that breaks what we thought the laws of physics were, they're using the same fab as everybody else. Thus their design at the mo…

There’s no hardware instruction translation.

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Post by jakeva »

j-pb wrote: post #347
jakeva wrote: post #343

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Comments like these always make me wonder if I'm the only person in the world still delighted by Apple products. I mean I alone can not be responsible for their sales volume. And then I start to wonder if I should be more critical of Apple, so I fire up my Windows machine and think silently "No, this is still a worse experience". So I fire up my Ubuntu and have the same reaction. I just don't understand the vitriol s…

Better doesn't mean good. Currently I'm waiting for the beachball of death when trying to get into the boot volume selection menu. I think this mac is bricked...

Ok, well let me add that I do find it good. I never seem to have the problems people complain about. I don't know why, so I'm always baffled by all the complaints.

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Post by doggydogs94 »

6d65 wrote: post #338
_abox wrote: post #315

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Yeah John Gruber has really become a shill over the last few years. His article reads like an Apple keynote transcript, everything is magical and amazing, a marvel and mindbogglingly great. No wonder they throw him so many exclusives ;) Yes M1 is great. But it's a closed system (no booting Linux or Windows at this time) and even under macOS you're having even less access to the system's internals than before. Also, A…

Completely agree with regards the closed platform. I switched to Linux for my development machine for a few years now. And, using something else than i3(or any other tilling window managers) seems like a step down. I like instant switching between workspaces, splits, no animations. And I'll be looking for a good laptop next year, when everything returns back to normal, and I might have to travel. And will put Linux o…

The last I heard, Linux is not coming to M1 unless Apple opens up on technical specifications.

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Post by nix23 »

free2OSS wrote: post #283
nix23 wrote: post #119

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>Those machines are just standing around in their underwear now because the M1 stole all their pants. Not sure what shitty machine hes talking about, but my threadripper's are not impressed with some 4 core M1.

I'm completely with you. The hardest programs to run will not benefit here. I don't need chrome to open up 0.1s faster.

Well it's really good for a laptop, but praising it as the fastest and best cpu is just rubbish.

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Post by doggydogs94 »

the_af wrote: post #120
simias wrote: post #100

I've never owned a Mac and don't intend to own one but I'm very happy with this M1 move, mainly for the reasons highlighted in the introduction to the article: >M1 Macs embarrass all other PCs — all Intel-based Macs, including automobile-priced Mac Pros, and every single machine running Windows or Linux. Those machines are just standing around in their underwear now because the M1 stole all their pants. I think it's…

> I want to believe. If we can end up with superfast, supercool ARM-based Linux laptops, that'd be a huge deal :)

Not going to happen anytime soon.

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Post by klelatti »

jgrant27 wrote: post #345

It's just not true. Ryzen laptops have been available for months for a fraction of the price of a macbook that are just as impressive. https://imagine27.com/rise-of-the-mac-serial-killers

By just as impressive you mean 40% slower based on these benchmarks.

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Post by doggydogs94 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #318
the_af wrote: post #120

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> I want to believe. If we can end up with superfast, supercool ARM-based Linux laptops, that'd be a huge deal :)

Yeah, that would be really amazing. Is it even possible to install Linux on this new Mac though? Probably not. Will Apple offer these chips to other manufacturers? Would be cool if we could build small form factor PCs with these M1 chips! I also wonder about the driver situation. Intel hardware has excellent support on Linux, everything works out of the box. Apple probably has zero interest in contributing drivers to…

You are correct. The answer is no Linux on M1.

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Post by Kopiks »

ravi-delia wrote: post #329
_abox wrote: post #315

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Yeah John Gruber has really become a shill over the last few years. His article reads like an Apple keynote transcript, everything is magical and amazing, a marvel and mindbogglingly great. No wonder they throw him so many exclusives ;) Yes M1 is great. But it's a closed system (no booting Linux or Windows at this time) and even under macOS you're having even less access to the system's internals than before. Also, A…

The M1 as a computer is too locked down for me, and it seems like for you. But the M1 as a demonstration of the power of modern ARM chips is absolutely unmatched. I have seen a lot of people use the lockdown argument to justify a disregard of ARM overall without realizing that no, the open version of this technology will be incredible .

> the M1 as a demonstration of the power of modern ARM chips is absolutely unmatched

I feel like it's more a demonstration of Apple's competency in vertical integration, cultivating talent, reducing the impact of politics on product/technical quality and ensuring productivity within and between technical teams. Aspects where Intel has abjectly failed and hasn't found any solutions for.

Intel has tried repeatedly to push into new areas, but they've failed every time. Meanwhile, Apple has somehow figured out how to push into new market segments successfully in a crazy consistent way and the M1 is a clear indication of how healthy and functional they are as a business. Like, when was their last real failure?

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Post by skrtskrt »

jakeva wrote: post #343
btilly wrote: post #319

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You have demonstrated exactly why I don't care how fast the M1 runs, I'm not buying Apple hardware. Not until I start hearing that they have done something about their long quality slide. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25238688 for the last time that I expressed this opinion on HN.

Comments like these always make me wonder if I'm the only person in the world still delighted by Apple products. I mean I alone can not be responsible for their sales volume. And then I start to wonder if I should be more critical of Apple, so I fire up my Windows machine and think silently "No, this is still a worse experience". So I fire up my Ubuntu and have the same reaction. I just don't understand the vitriol s…

Mac always works great for me, the hardware (post keyboard fix or pre keyboard problems) is good, so I stick with it.

For 95% of users, Mac just works with the exception of how MS Office programs can be pretty meh on Mac.

I have tried Linux machines at work and at home, and I appreciate the open values of Linux, but I think it's few years before touchpads and multi-screen graphics are really as slick and reliable as Mac for everyone not just HN power users.

The tinkerer in me will buy a Linux machine eventually, but I have tendency to tinker instead of getting things done, which prevents me from going Linux at the moment. Mac OS just works, feels, and looks good by default and gets out of my way.

I am also waiting to see how the next couple of years of CPU wars plays out before committing to a Linux laptop like a ThinkPad with all that stuff soldered in place.

Can't see myself ever going back to Windows which I grew up with. Windows 10 just looks and feels and acts miserable.

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