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Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look

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Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look

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tialaramex wrote: post #221
catlifeonmars wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or something akin to OCSP stapling, which has been mentioned in a few places?

Stapling makes sense for the Web but not here. With OCSP Stapling the remote web server whose identity you want to assure yourself of periodically gets an up-to-date OCSP answer about its own certificate. When you connect to that server, it gives you the certificate, and the OCSP answer, which assures you that the certificate is still good, and is signed by the Issuer of the certificate. So, you visit Porn Hub, Porn…

That’s assuming that the OCSP is hosted by Apple, which doesn’t have to be the case. It sounds shitty from an app developer perspective, but app developers would have an incentive to host endpoints that make their apps runnable on macOS. This improves privacy, by distributing ocsp traffic across organizations, but also puts the burden of verification on app developers. Not sure if this would harm or help the app ecosystem

Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look

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claudeganon wrote: post #235
catlifeonmars wrote: post #98

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Can Apple read your iCloud storage? I’m not saying that it is, but shouldn’t that be encrypted at rest with a customer-specific key?

Yeah, they can read everything: https://sneak.berlin/20200604/if-zoom-is-wrong-so-is-apple/ They were going to actually encrypt it, but suddenly had a change of heart after the FBI had a chat with them: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Ugh

Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look

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lern_too_spel wrote: post #228
theodric wrote: post #84

By default, Android logs every app you use. You have to disable - bafflingly - features including saving locations in Google Maps and fully-functional voice recognition to (supposedly) disable that behavior. What I'm saying is: don't look so surprised.

You seem to be confusing sharing "usage and diagnostics" with enabling location history.

Turn off usage and diagnostics and try to save a location in Google Maps. Alternatively, open up the usage and diagnostics stats and see just how much they harvest. It's, frankly, a ridiculous non-sequitur on the part of Google.

Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look

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theodric wrote: post #353
lern_too_spel wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be confusing sharing "usage and diagnostics" with enabling location history.

Turn off usage and diagnostics and try to save a location in Google Maps. Alternatively, open up the usage and diagnostics stats and see just how much they harvest. It's, frankly, a ridiculous non-sequitur on the part of Google.

It is already off. I've always had it off. I have multiple locations saved in Google Maps.

Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look

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lern_too_spel wrote: post #354
theodric wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turn off usage and diagnostics and try to save a location in Google Maps. Alternatively, open up the usage and diagnostics stats and see just how much they harvest. It's, frankly, a ridiculous non-sequitur on the part of Google.

It is already off. I've always had it off. I have multiple locations saved in Google Maps.

Web & App Activity Saves your activity on Google sites and apps, including associated info like location, to give you faster searches, better recommendations, and more personalized experiences in Maps, Search, and other Google services. https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/54068
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