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Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by ghthor »

nostromo wrote: post #80

It’s interesting that the reporter here is shaming a wedding reception and not the long-term care facility where the deaths actually occurred. And not shaming for people for going to work with obvious Covid-19 symptoms, both to a prison and a long-term care facility . It’s clear the editors needed a story about family gatherings and not yet another story about old folks homes being high risk.

Yeah, this is a hit piece aimed to demoralize the populace into not enjoying the holidays with their families.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by jayspell »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #264
jayspell wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said nothing about masks. This thread has people advocating murder charges for going to a wedding and spreading to someone who dies afterwards. WHO said lockdowns should not be primary method of stopping the spread. Lockdowns harm as much as help, loss of jobs at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum, cancer screenings delayed, mental health issues related to isolation, and we don't know the huge cost of what…

Slight difference is that this disease is fifty times more deadly than the HK flu. Just about everyone in the US got that one and about 50,000 people died. We are at 5 times that level already and only 10% of the population has been exposed. (Also the value placed on old people’s lives has increased drastically... you might not like it but it is social consensus to spend millions to extend the lives of 75-year-olds b…

Where do you see it as being fifty times more deadly? Wikipedia lists Hong Kong flu deaths in US as upwards of 100,000 with 100m less people in the country. Even at fifty times more deadly it is not greatest cause of death this year. Heart disease and cancer have killed far more (over a million collectively). The response is way out of proportion to what we have seen. I believe the initial response was appropriate given the projections (which turned out to be a complete fabrication) of millions dead in US alone. We've seen what this virus is, it's not millions dead. We can't cancel life for a couple of years waiting for this to go away, everyone needs to get on with their lives, getting married, seeing people over the holidays. This continued fearful response is preposterous.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by NotTheDr01ds »

atty wrote: post #20

What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.

In a normal year, we'd do lunch with my family and dinner with my wife's family, and be stuffed beyond belief.

And in a normal year, my wife would come down with bronchitis shortly thereafter. Recently we learned that's mostly due to a congenital immune deficiency that had been undiagnosed for years.

Given that, we'll of course be sitting this year out. We may do a drive-by visit to air-hug folks from the car or something, as long as they don't try to get to close to the window unmasked (as some have done in the past).

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by sequoia »

abduhl wrote: post #258
sequoia wrote: post #161

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> And they have spiking case counts just like the US right now. What lead to this recent spike, in your opinion? "peaches and cream" it's a global pandemic, I don't think "peaches and cream" is on the table right now. What we need is to survive to have peaches and cream another day, and that takes discipline and PERSONAL SACRIFICE not everyone whining and moaning about how they can't just pretend nothing is going on…

“I weep for how spoiled and entitled our society is, living in the lap of luxury but still complaining,” they say while working from home and admitting that they have not left their house at all for the past half year, not even to feed themselves because a benevolent underclass of coronavirus immune elves delivers paychecks to their bank account and food directly to their door.

haha my friend, you need to sit back and take a chill pill. The fact that you're digging through my comments and trying to attack me personally is why I say this. But I'll play along for argument's sake:

Yes, I pay extra for grocery delivery or pickup, only order at places that do curbside or occasionally delivery, ordered a lot more than normal on Amazon and avoided public transit because yes, I can afford it. Would you rather I increase the population on the bus, in the grocery store and in restaurants even though I don't need to? Would you rather I keep the delivery fee I'd otherwise pay to my grocer & have them not employ extra people right now?

Yes, anyone who can afford to should be ordering pickup, delivery, etc. because it is less circulation of people and therefor reduces spread of the virus. This is the responsible thing to do. Less people circulating means less virus, and this is good for everyone, rich and poor alike. Not to mention all my extra spending on delivery directly from my butcher, grocer, etc. is injecting more money into my local economy and creating more opportunities for employment in the service sector which is currently being savaged by the pandemic.

I am sympathetic to your frustration, but I don't understand your lashing out at me over it. Do you want to share what frustrates you about this? Or hell, go ahead and give me advice if you want: What do you think I should be doing differently, in your opinion?

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Post by ceejayoz »

timr wrote: post #345
ceejayoz wrote: post #331

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The analogy is intended to demonstrate that the implied claim that "'my body, my choice' must extend to everything or it's hypocritical" is extreme.

You're arguing that this situation should be an exception to the usual rules of personal liberty that we all take for granted -- I should be able to require you to wear a mask and not meet with family members, because $disease is deadly and transmissable . OP pointed out that this is contradictory to the usual rhetoric on abortion. Your response was that we make just such an exception for guns and drunk driving. The…

> OP pointed out that this is contradictory to the usual rhetoric on abortion.

I'm pointing out that it's not, just like drunk driving and moving your finger when it happens to be connected to a gun aren't "pro-choice" moments.

"My body, my choice" doesn't apply in the same fashion when other people's rights are also involved. (And, to head-off the "nuh-uh", pro-choicers tend to fall down on the "no" side of fetal personhood.)

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Post by JeremyNT »

goalieca wrote: post #54

There are “high-risk” people in care homes who want to visit their relatives for the holidays. To call these people selfish is way off the mark. Human beings are more than a simple statistic to optimize for political benefit. Perhaps it’s the politicians and others who are being selfish by imposing their will and desires. Viewpoints on liberty and consent aside, there doesn’t seem to be much of a strategy or timeline…

> There are “high-risk” people in care homes who want to visit their relatives for the holidays. To call these people selfish is way off the mark.

Why isn't this selfish? They put not only themselves, but also their families at risk.

Perhaps you'll say they're being "foolish" instead of "selfish" - perhaps they have been mislead to ignore or disbelieve the truth of how potent the virus is, or how miserable a way to die it is. But their own selfishness and their own self-interest can only make it easier for them to believe the lies or misinformation that would cause them to make such an error.

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Post by NotTheDr01ds »

greggman3 wrote: post #155

First off let me make it clear (1) I've mostly stayed entirely isolate since March. (2) I plan to stay isolated. So don't shoot the messenger please. Anyway, I live in Tokyo. Tokyo Metro area has basically all of California (SF, SD, etc..) squeezed into an area the size of Los Angeles. 34 million people. Tokyo has been mostly unlocked since June. Theaters and other venues are open (every other seat), clubs are open (…

It looks to me like Japan could be on the cusp of a drastic increase in cases, at least. Whether or not it translates to hospitalizations or deaths is another question (I feel it is less likely based on other health factors).

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToS...

Since the beginning of November, your test-positive rate has more than doubled, from a relatively good 3% to 6%. 5% is considered "good" coverage for tests.

Test coverage per-capita does not seem to be increasing, and may have even dropped slightly in the same time period.

I'd advise against complacency in any country. We've seen just how quickly this thing can spike in a number of countries that appeared to have things "under control".

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Post by medell »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #304
medell wrote: post #234

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This is a common and dangerous misconception. Wearing a seatbelt causes you to be a projectile that bounces around the car, into other people. YouTube "not wearing a seatbelt" and you'll never not wear one again when others are in the car.

Those videos are the equivalent of the DARE junk of the 90s but for cars. You should wear a seat-belt because it improves your own survivability not because some scare tactic told you to.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Wear it to protect yourself and others.

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Post by jjulius »

NotTheDr01ds wrote: post #349
jjulius wrote: post #33

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Normally we'd fly out of town for Thanksgiving/Christmas to our respective families, but my wife and I are staying put this year. My parents are coming to us for Thanksgiving, but we are making them get tested the weekend prior, quarantine at home for a few more days, then they are driving to us only stopping for gas (so, wipe down the pump with a Clorox wipe and then use hand sanitizer after touching it). That proce…

Suggestion for gas pumps: I carry rolls of dog poop cleanup bags. They make great temporary gloves that you can slip over your hand before touching the gas pump, and they slide off into the trash easily without touching the outside with the other hand. Keep in mind that Clorox wipes still take 30 seconds to kill the virus (according to the manufacturer page). Most people don't tend to wait after disinfecting a surfac…

That's a great idea! Thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to pass it along.

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Post by dang »

throw1122334 wrote: post #117
otterley wrote: post #93

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Why does the care facility deserve more blame?

Because it's literally their job to protect their patients from infection? It's not like we've just recently found out that the elderly are especially vulnerable to Covid-19. If a website left their admin portal open, didn't set a password and then got hacked, would you put the blame for that on the script kiddie who did it, or on the website's security team?

Could you please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

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