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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by outworlder »

jungletime wrote: post #332
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

This is almost as bad as relying China on Personal Protective Equipment and quickly running out during the pandemic earlier this year. Imagine if the USA actually comes under an attack.The apple spaceship would be high on the list of targets. All of sudden hospitals can't run their computers or communications. Disaster!

Please stop fear mongering.

If Apple servers actually go down, there's no issue.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pgt »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #300
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

Huh apparently I win by still being on an old OS version?

My policy is to never upgrade anything until everyone I know has upgraded to the next version and not downgraded after N weeks.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by huseyinkeles »

_joel wrote: post #251
huseyinkeles wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Mojave was also affected.

Indeed, I was bouncing a session in Logic and even that crawled, activity monitor showed a blank screen when it finally opened and iterm2 was unresponsive. I thought the machine was under load but the fans weren't even on.

Yeah, that's the weird thing. CPU load etc. were all normal in the Activity Monitor.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by damnencryption »

evilos wrote: post #338
damnencryption wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of it is just people parroting the same old boring tropes. They couldn't believe Linux had gotten easier to use than windows. I know this. I installed Windows few days ago. I can't install steam or chromium without getting blocked by windows. I have to download it from external sites while both of these are available in the software store on Ubuntu. It didn't nag me to login, switched my browser to edge after u…

> I know this. I installed Windows few days ago. I can't install steam or chromium without getting blocked by windows. Sorry what do you mean you can't install steam or chromium in Windows? Millions of people run this software on Windows. - A mint user.

Windows smart screen. I can install it but sometimes it is trigger happy so I have to go through a pop up.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by floatingatoll »

tshaddox wrote: post #307
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

> I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. The answer is pretty simple: these problems are extremely rare, they don't last very long, and they tend to have…

The payoff for the very slight risk is an effective built-in malware prevention system that doesn’t treat me abusively and reacts in a timely manner to abusive circumstances.

After decades of production operations, I have no complaints about how this was handled, and I expect they’ll investigate and patch any defects exposed by the outage.

I went for a walk when this happened and when I got back it was fixed. Works for me.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by alistairSH »

Spivak wrote: post #165
josephcsible wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that if you're offline, it skips this check and everything works fine. The reason this is a big deal is that the problem's on their end, so you're not offline, so it keeps trying and waiting instead of just letting you skip the check.

Unfortunately there’s not a way to differentiate “we’re online but Apple’s servers are having issues — probably fine” and “we’re online and something something is preventing us from talking to them — something nefarious might be happening.”

Local copy of whatever Apple is checking? Update that daily (on sign on or something). Not going to catch zero day type stuff, but better than making the laptop unusable.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by marcolussetti »

brundolf wrote: post #43
Lammy wrote: post #33

Maybe it's just me but the idea that my computer lets Apple (+ any LE organizations) surveil my app launches seems so much scarier than any malware.

I don't know about you, but hashes of the binaries I run don't exactly reveal any sensitive personal information about me. That said, obviously they should have much more graceful degradation in place for when something is wrong with the service.

I think that for some users, the applications they run and the frequency they run them at would be enough to identify them across time and accounts. I could change my identifier, even my name, but at the end of the day, I've been using the same apps for at least a decade more or less.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by nomel »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

I never have problems with the new MacOS or iOS. The trick is to just wait for the X.1 update.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by canjobear »

foofoo4u wrote: post #343

Sidebar topic, but something that is always in the back of my head. Cars are becoming evermore connected to the web. If something as simple as this can brick my Mac, then what will it be like in a vehicle? Will all cars simultaneously go haywire at the same time around the world? This of course assumes software or hardware safety overrides are not in place to overcome such a situation.

Internet connectivity should be seen as an undesirable feature, a risk to be minimized.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Symbiote »

valuearb wrote: post #179
paxys wrote: post #136

This is the kind of stuff that makes me laugh at their (very successful) "Apple respects privacy" PR campaigns.

How is this not congruent with strong privacy protections? Your iPhone knows everywhere you’ve been, but when it sends that info to Apple it doesn’t include any personally identifiable information.

Strong privacy would be not sending that information to Apple at all.

(Do iPhones really send the current location to Apple?)

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