McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

Post by realisticeater » Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:17 AM UTC

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You almost make a religion out of this. Make the lion vegan to complete the circle. That would end the misery on this world, right? Some animals are abused and we can work on regulation to prevent that and promote sustainable development (in EU they already have some laws about this) but I don't think making sure cows die by old age should be the end goal.

>Make the lion vegan to complete the circle. 1. Lions are obligate carnivores, we're not. We do not need meat to survive (evidenced by several cultures around the world living off a nearly entirely plant-based diet for centuries), lions do. 2. What animals do isn't a good moral compass. Animals rape each other, steal, kill their children, and do all sorts of morally reprehensible stuff. >Some animals are abused and w…

Post by beerandt » Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

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> It needs to taste good or better than whatever you are trying to replace. Or just cost less. At scale (notwithstanding government subsidies), vegan food will be cheaper than animal based food. People don't go to McDonald's because their burgers taste better than at the steakhouse, they go because it's cheaper.

Its good tasting at its price point, I'd argue (if you like McDonalds anyway). Nobody is going to be pay more for the same and I think at scale vegan food is cheaper, generally. Its why its all about taste.

Post by Qwertious » Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:21 AM UTC

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The price of animal agriculture products is artificially lowered by direct subsidy, price controls, and indirectly lowered by the unaccounted ecological costs. It is largely a matter of policy rather than a reflection of market forces. On a level playing field, the cost competitiveness is there. For instance, in New Zealand, one of the largest dairy export markets, I can buy a vegan pizza for the same price. In fact,…

What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

Post by hated » Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

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I grew up on pizza in the NYC/NJ area. The Italian styles with minimal cheese are a disappointment to me. Many are able to get the crust and sauce perfect, which is no small feat, and then it feels like they just gave up with the cheese. Pizza in NYC usually not only has great crust and sauce, but it also has plenty of cheese. They don't "overload" it like many places outside the area. (I am purposely separating "Piz…

> The Italian styles with minimal cheese are a disappointment to me. Have you had one in Italy? Personally, I quite like American style pizza, but the Italian style I still find has a more interesting flavour profile and therefore I tend to prefer it.

Post by hated » Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:31 AM UTC

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Most Italian pizza has rather little cheese. I remember watching something once where the chef of a fancy pizzeria said that the most important thing in pizza is the bread: it should taste great without any topping. Then the sauce and finally everything else. I've had a great vegan pizza once and between bread, sauce and toppings, it tasted like great Italian-style pizza. Sure, a sprinkle of cheese would have made it…

And some pizza doesn't have any cheese at all, such as pizza marinara ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_marinara ), which is rare in the US but was pretty common growing up in the Italian portions of Western Pennsylvania.