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Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by Wintereise »

cageface wrote: post #310
snarfy wrote: post #29

Samsung really needs to just flush their entire software division. It's all garbage. Their android software is a frustrating joke. Tizen is a hot mess. Every issue I've ever had with a samsung product was with their software, and it's why I've sworn off the brand as a whole.

Samsung's current OneUI is actually pretty good and adds a lot of useful features to stock Android. I also like the way they've integrated the s pen on the Note recently. Older versions of TouchWiz had a deservedly bad reputation but I'm pretty happy with the software on my Note 20 and the hardware is fantastic.

+1, I have a S20 and have absolutely no complaints about OneUI.

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Post by fapjacks »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #104
troydavis wrote: post #34

If you own an Internet-connected TV, you've been seeing these for 2 years or more. I submitted it 11 months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427405 ) and it wasn't new then. The ACR-based retargeting audiences ( https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-... ) are probably the most offensive. For example: "Reach viewers who saw your competitor’s ads as quickly as 60 seconds after linear a…

> If you own an Internet-connected TV, you've been seeing these for 2 years or more How to prevent all Samsung tracking and advertising: 1. Factory reset your Samsung TV. 2. When promoted to accept the Samsung EULA, select no/reject 3. Attach computer or streaming stick to Samsung HDMI port (Windows, mac, chromebook, appleTV, chromecast, Amazon Firestick, Roku stick). I use an ancient PC with Linux Mint installed. Yo…

Hello! I would like to recommend to everyone one of the few utilities I've found in the last few years which blew my socks off, called x2x [0]. It is a small console program you can use to link your X session with a remote session (over SSH), so that you can move your mouse off your current laptop (or whatever) desktop and onto the remote "TV computer" desktop, and type things into that desktop with your keyboard. I'd been dreaming about this for years before I randomly stumbled on it. You can run it and just forget about it since it isn't literally streaming a series of JPGs like VNC. I've been using it with ZERO problems now for a couple of years exactly for this purpose.

[0] https://github.com/dottedmag/x2x

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by fapjacks »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #221
troydavis wrote: post #34

If you own an Internet-connected TV, you've been seeing these for 2 years or more. I submitted it 11 months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427405 ) and it wasn't new then. The ACR-based retargeting audiences ( https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-... ) are probably the most offensive. For example: "Reach viewers who saw your competitor’s ads as quickly as 60 seconds after linear a…

How can we block all of this? Is Pi-hole sufficient?

NO! Beware! It has been demonstrated by multiple research groups [0] that Pi-hole DOES NOT stop this tracking by your televisions. I hated having to type that sentence. The future is stupid.

[0] https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1177570679232876544

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by jannes »

mewse wrote: post #327
microcolonel wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't even have an Android app? wtf.

There are dozens of apps on Android which can act as a remote for an AppleTV. You can also use any bog standard universal remote control, if you have an old one of those kicking around somewhere. (I use a cheap old Logitech Harmony remote, for example)

You can even use your TV’s remote. It should forward the button commands via HDMI. (Try left, right, up, down, etc)

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by duncan_bayne »

mikestew wrote: post #131
manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads. Let's say that the average Samsung TV costs $1,000, ad revenue per person is around $30 a year, and the average lifespan of a TV is 10 years. I own a Samsung TV since 2016. I think they may have pushed 5 firmware updates since then. There is no way I can be convinced that Samsung needs to increase the price of TVs…

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads. Yeah, ad revenue couldn't possibly be just "found revenue" to layer on top of existing profits. Why folks are so willing to carry water for corporations, by making unsubstantiated excuses for them, mystifies me.

> Why folks are so willing to carry water for corporations, by making unsubstantiated excuses for them, mystifies me.

Because if you don't keep making excuses for them, you're left with the alternative: doing a bunch more work yourself, which many people don't find remotely enjoyable.

Which reminds me, I need to go and try installing Axolotl on my PinePhone again :)

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Post by matheusmoreira »

fapjacks wrote: post #353
matheusmoreira wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we block all of this? Is Pi-hole sufficient?

NO! Beware! It has been demonstrated by multiple research groups [0] that Pi-hole DOES NOT stop this tracking by your televisions. I hated having to type that sentence. The future is stupid. [0] https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1177570679232876544

Thanks for posting that. The smart doorbells part is especially terrifying...

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Post by manuelabeledo »

tclancy wrote: post #299
manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads. Let's say that the average Samsung TV costs $1,000, ad revenue per person is around $30 a year, and the average lifespan of a TV is 10 years. I own a Samsung TV since 2016. I think they may have pushed 5 firmware updates since then. There is no way I can be convinced that Samsung needs to increase the price of TVs…

Right, the market for a totally elastic good would clear at a higher price if this one set of idiots didn’t sell ads. Definitely makes sense.

Amazon does it with their Kindle line. It’s not something unheard of.

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Post by Legogris »

gregoryl wrote: post #249
TacticalTable wrote: post #187

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I had been getting frustrated with my Oneplus and upgrade to an S10, and every once in awhile I wish that I hadn't. It's death by a thousand cuts, from engineers and management who have no respect for the user. Off the top of my head, within the past week, I've had: * The wifi slows down to Obviously all of these problems can be fixed, and many aren't exclusive to samsung, but dealing with all of them continuously is…

Hopefully you've found the instructions to remove bixby via adb. It works, side effect free and has survived multiple firmware updates so far.

I didn't realize this was doable, thank you!!

Do you have a link or list for services to disable? I went through this list[0] for my S9 and at least I got rid of the Bixby button, the Samsung Share shortcuts, and a few other crapwares. Some Samsung junk still left though, and names are cryptic enough that I'm not sure what would or wouldn't break (for me, obviously depends on what you use).

[0]: https://github.com/AlexQuiniou/remove-bloatware-galaxy-s10e

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Post by ddalex »

akiselev wrote: post #274
pbronez wrote: post #197

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Ugh are you telling me that these TVs are aggressively trying to find and connect to unsecured Wi-Fi to upload data I don’t want them to have over an unsecure connection I don’t control? Gross.

$20 says they already have a deal with Verizon/Spectrum/whatever to use those customer login protected open wifi APs as backhaul when an internet connection is not otherwise available. Considering how much they're leaning on customer PII to subsidize the cost of TVs, I wouldn't be surprised if they start putting 5G radios in them too.

This is the obvious next step, together with not showing the output if there is no net connection

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Post by manuelabeledo »

rmtech wrote: post #244
manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads. Let's say that the average Samsung TV costs $1,000, ad revenue per person is around $30 a year, and the average lifespan of a TV is 10 years. I own a Samsung TV since 2016. I think they may have pushed 5 firmware updates since then. There is no way I can be convinced that Samsung needs to increase the price of TVs…

> why can't I just pay more and opt out? Because they probably did market research and found that ~nobody would pay what it was actually worth, and it would generate negative press.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to think that they are trying to exploit this particular ad market, without lowering the markup on their hardware?

Samsung TVs are not cheaper than the competition. In fact, their mid and high tiers are expensive, compared to LG. On the low tier, other brands like TLC or Vizio are still cheaper.

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