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Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by bloaf »

vvanpo wrote: post #252
userbinator wrote: post #189

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I don't understand why people complain about line length when that really means you should just resize the window to your preference. On the other hand, pages that stay in a narrow column in the middle when I widen the window really infuriate me, because I explicitly asked for wider columns and am not getting it.

Who does that? I think most people browse the web with many tabs open at once, and switch between them constantly. I don't think it should be on the user to resize their browser viewport every time they switch tabs to maintain a comfortable measure. That's the website's responsibility.

Me. I do that.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by fireattack »

seppel wrote: post #345
howlgarnish wrote: post #339

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This was fixed quite some time ago, there's now a Discussion tab/link on the mobile version.

Can you tell me you I can get there, e.g., here? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test The work "discuss" does not show up in the source code, you can check "curl https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test | grep -i discuss" The discussion is called "talk" on the desktop version, but it is also missing on the mobile one. Or there is some javascript trickery going on, but I clearly dont get it.

Not sure why you're missing but https://i.imgur.com/llv2rtc.png

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by fireattack »

bakuninsbart wrote: post #95
thibran wrote: post #68

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> I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) If you speak different languages, the left hand bar is very useful to switch between different language versions of an article.

I use that quite a lot, because google periodically just refuses to acknowledge that I usually want my links in English despite living in Germany. English quality is often times a bit better, but it is also useful to check in multiple languages, as sometimes you get different information, especially on more controversial topics.

I have the same problem, so I just save English UI as bookmark/search engine and start from there.

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en

It would prioritize English result.

I actually have three languages of Google on my bookmark bar precisely because of this, and they work like a charm.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by fireattack »

rasz wrote: post #311
thibran wrote: post #68

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> I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) If you speak different languages, the left hand bar is very useful to switch between different language versions of an article.

There is room for improvement here. Wiki could detect language preferences based on accept-language Header. "en-US,en;q=0.9,pl;q=0.8" is a pretty good indication I want English and Polish translations to be the first one listed. Alternatively/additionally you could let logged in users define sort order/preferences. As is now I have to inject ['.vector-menu-content-list .interlanguage-link.interwiki-en', '.vector-menu…

They already adjust the list by the frequency you visit them. They don't by default show all 100+ language links anymore for a while.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by kzrdude »

eepp wrote: post #175
amirkdv wrote: post #135

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> I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) The left sidebar has two killer features for me: 1. Finding canonical translations for technical terms. You need to know what the standard way to translate "hardware acceleration" or "differentiable manifold" is in French? Go to the wikipedia page and hover over the language switcher link in the left sidebar. Done. This has become one…

For English-French translation in Québec, have a look at http://m.gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/index.aspx

That's quite a stack of subdomains, any sense to those? .qc.ca I can recognize, and gouv is for gouvernment.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by camdenreslink »

EE84M3i wrote: post #323
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #250

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Also, the mobile version collapsing the zippies, which means search doesn't work.

What are "zippies"? I tried searching but couldn't find a relevant definition.

Sometimes called accordion menus. See: https://jqueryui.com/accordion/

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by Talanes »

grawprog wrote: post #238
CydeWeys wrote: post #235

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In even simpler terms, the use of editorial judgment is required to write an encyclopedia. Always has been, always will be. A website free of editorial judgment looks like 8chan, not an encyclopedia.

Even 8chan had some level of editorial judgement, however small it was. It was there.

The Admin has been very active in preserving QAnon's presence on the board. Potentially to the point of hijacking the QAnon tripcodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon#Identity_of_%22Q%22

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by seppel »

fireattack wrote: post #352
seppel wrote: post #345

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Can you tell me you I can get there, e.g., here? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test The work "discuss" does not show up in the source code, you can check "curl https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test | grep -i discuss" The discussion is called "talk" on the desktop version, but it is also missing on the mobile one. Or there is some javascript trickery going on, but I clearly dont get it.

Not sure why you're missing but https://i.imgur.com/llv2rtc.png

This is how it looks in my Firefox: https://imgur.com/a/x2Gl1Sj

And this is how it looks in my Chrome: https://imgur.com/a/LQ7pmH8

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by fralewsmi »

StillBored wrote: post #216

Please, since someone from wikipedia is probably reading this: Keep the JavaScript to a minimum. The plans aren't clear to me, but given what sites like reddit/etc have done during their "updates" the new UI's are terrible on anything that isn't a top of the line device with a screaming fast internet connection. Wikipedia (and a few other "older" sites) is such a pleasure to use as is, don't ruin it. AKA round-trippi…

It's not even an issue with adding JS, they could build it entirely in React and not have it crawl along like new Reddit does. The issue is 'redesigns' which real purpose is to add extra layers of user engagement, ads and tracking.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Post by fireattack »

seppel wrote: post #358
fireattack wrote: post #352

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Not sure why you're missing but https://i.imgur.com/llv2rtc.png

This is how it looks in my Firefox: https://imgur.com/a/x2Gl1Sj And this is how it looks in my Chrome: https://imgur.com/a/LQ7pmH8

Ah, you're right.

You need to login and enable "advanced mode" in setting (in hamburger menu) to see it.

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