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Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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It's because we can no longer rely on our governments to act responsibly or arrive at a solution. We now have to rely on the world's billionaires and their generosity for help.

Then hold our governments responsible. I don’t know why anyone would expect a private citizen, regardless of whether or not he happens to have more than $1 billion, to help with environmental catastrophes. In fact I’d expect them to help the least out of anyone, since they have the resources to simply escape if they face danger or scarcity.

> Then hold our governments responsible.

With today's rampant lobbying and propaganda driven news, that's a bit of a moot point. When critical questions are asked of those in power, they're dismissed as asking nasty questions and saying it's fake news. The propaganda is also created to keep citizens fighting against themselves rather than those in power. It's a losing position from a citizens point of view. Either the politicians have to willfully change things themselves, or you need to play the waiting game until the country deteriorates enough until it sparks revolts like in Belarus.

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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Key insight for me was learning how to use my freezer. So much stuff freezes well which most people wouldn't consider freezing. For example, I run my own small baked goods business and do a ton of baking. 95% of anything you could buy in a bakery can be frozen and no one can tell the difference. In fact, bakeries already freeze most of what they are selling to people and no one can tell the difference. I don't expect…

Yeah, I agree about the freezer. One of the things I love about using sous vide for batch cooking is the bags go from the cook to the freezer without being opened. The liquid in the bag acts as a sort of jacket that prevents freezer burn. Based on the science I know there's a texture change, but I'd be surprised if you could spot it in a blind test. But the other big thing for me is convenience. It takes maybe 10-15…

Bread Baker's Apprentice is a great book which will teach you everything. Peter Reinhart, the author, in general is a great resource for bread making.

You kind of have to embrace the random factor in bread making and develop a feel for it. A cake recipe is a far more mechanical process, just follow the instructions and it will work. Bread is more chaotic for sure (like, maybe it's a very humid day and your flour is heavier with water than usual) but it's not like pulling a slot machine.

My first few loaves were mediocre, some were bad, but after about 5-10 it came together. And now, like I wrote earlier, I make money baking. Anyone can do it, just treat it like a weird little hobby with no pressure at first.

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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With the way the human population is expanding and the rising income of 3rd world nations we are really going to look at a major increase in both genetically engineering food stock to be larger and more nutritious as well as ramping up lab grown meat. Conservation is clearly not going to work as so many nations ignore it anyway and quite often regulations lack teeth due to the fear of killing an industry. Its difficu…

> Society just wont change to support it. Maybe this is just me, but I would happily change my diet to be around 50% Soylent or other meal replacement if the cost was cheaper. Currently I eat around 2400 calories a day, with Soylent that costs me $20 a day. I can get Chipotle for ~$15 per day, and between the two Chipotle clearly wins on taste. From what I can tell meal replacements are often far more environmentally…

Why can't you get vegan Chipotle?

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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> but people eat wild mammals on a regular basis. Not in meaningful quantity. It would bet that the median time since a typical Westerner last had wild mammal could be measured in months if not years.

>Not in meaningful quantity. Enough wild meat to introduce a new Virus and pandemic though.

probably not if most families in Sydney and Melbourne went out hunting.

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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"I think we urgently need global legislation" That would require a world government. Not likely to happen and not something I would want to happen for the various potential negative side effects. It is already very hard to control our national governments. International treaties and boycotting and embargos of violaters, maybe yes, but currently the trend is into more confrontation and not collaboration.

Yes treaties is what I meant. Hopefully more collaboration after November with the new guy in charge!

Unfortunately the US is not exactly leading on animal welfare, and indeed resists urges to improve. As much as I dislike Trump, this has been the case since long before him.

Federal-level animal welfare standards are lacking. Welfare in the US standards are well below that of Europe. Pigs, for example, still often live their short life in stalls so small they can't even turn around - by comparison, the practice of using these "sow stalls" was banned in the UK before the turn of the century. Additionally, the use of antibiotics and hormones is very high.

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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It's not that hard to be vegetarian or at least cut back a lot on meat folks.

You could also not waste too many kW of electricity, which are partly generated by carbon sources. E.g. you could stop using your laptop too frequently, less social media, e.g.

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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I'm shocked that the article didn't mention this, but the mass die-offs we're seeing are because the world's coral reefs will be dead by 2050: https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/environment-90-per... https://www.businessinsider.com/great-barrier-reef-could-dis... https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2020/02/24/70-90-per... The effect of this is that 500 million pacific islanders will be forced to flee to So…

> I sure wish a tech billionaire would do something about this

No need to single out one group of people. We vote for shitty politicians, we give money to shitty corporations, we form tribes of "us vs them", we put more children on this world condemning (putting a human on the planet is worst thing you can do to it in terms of pollution), we don't do our part "because corporations are the biggest polluters" and think that absolves us of any evil. We are inactive. We'd rather shift the blame than do anything. We are complacent. We are all complicit. We are all to blame.

If the world is full of non-evil people, then why aren't they keeping the evil people in check?

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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Yes treaties is what I meant. Hopefully more collaboration after November with the new guy in charge!

Unfortunately the US is not exactly leading on animal welfare, and indeed resists urges to improve. As much as I dislike Trump, this has been the case since long before him. Federal-level animal welfare standards are lacking. Welfare in the US standards are well below that of Europe. Pigs, for example, still often live their short life in stalls so small they can't even turn around - by comparison, the practice of us…

Well, but the topic seems to be "how can we avoid that the maritime ecosystem collapse, so we still can eat seafish?" and not "animal welfare".

I support both.

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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Yeah, I agree about the freezer. One of the things I love about using sous vide for batch cooking is the bags go from the cook to the freezer without being opened. The liquid in the bag acts as a sort of jacket that prevents freezer burn. Based on the science I know there's a texture change, but I'd be surprised if you could spot it in a blind test. But the other big thing for me is convenience. It takes maybe 10-15…

Bread Baker's Apprentice is a great book which will teach you everything. Peter Reinhart, the author, in general is a great resource for bread making. You kind of have to embrace the random factor in bread making and develop a feel for it. A cake recipe is a far more mechanical process, just follow the instructions and it will work. Bread is more chaotic for sure (like, maybe it's a very humid day and your flour is h…

Thanks for the rec, I'll check it out.

I have the Ken Forkish book. I'm not his biggest fan based on personal interactions, though I'm honest enough to admit he makes amazing bread. But I pretty clearly need to start with something a little more low key.

Re: Popular seafood species in sharp decline around the world

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Everyone please stop blaming coral bleaching on climate change. Nitrogen run-off from farming is the main cause. We need to reduce nitrogen enrichment in farming, which will lead to lower yields and lower profits (or, more likely, higher prices). But blaming climate change here is an egregious example of green washing which will prevent or delay resolving the real issue. Stop it. Please. "Anthropogenic nutrient enric…

> Stop it. Please.

No. Nitrogen pollution has local effects and is an enormous problem in some important fish spawning grounds, but it cannot explain what happened to the Great Barrier Reef in 2018 and again in 2019.

The effects of temperature on corals are getting to be quite well understood now. Globally, marine heat waves are a major problem, alongside pollution and direct reef destruction.

Likewise, ocean acidification is happening as part of "climate change" (carbon pollution) and is another stress for corals.

I agree with your point about N runoff. We need to stop growing maize for biofuels and animal feed and implement megascale riparian planting programmes to limit the damage done by floods. For starters.

These things are not either-or. Overfishing and destructive fishing practices, "development", various kinds of pollution and oxygen depletion ... we're doing it all, and it all affects reefs.

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