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Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by CamperBob2 »

enos_feedler wrote: post #338
grishka wrote: post #280

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And so that's why I never liked nor trusted this whole idea of code signing with non-self-signed certificates, especially on desktop OSes. This notarization mechanism introduced a single point of failure: Apple. And now there is concrete evidence of how exactly this is bad. On a device I own, there should be no parties that are trusted more than myself. It's ridiculous I even have to write this.

I trust the device maker more than myself to keep my data safe and secure.

Then don't install unsigned apps.

The notion that the platform owner is somehow doing you a favor by denying you that choice is nothing but a manifestation of Stockholm Syndrome in action.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by fishywang »

My prediction is that this will backfire so badly for Apple.

Apple clearly underestimated how popular Unreal Engine is to game developers. Apple probably expect developers to just switch to other engines when they took UE away from them, but in reality most of the developers currently using UE will just stop publishing on Apple's platforms because that's no longer a profitable platform (consider the investment for developing for Apple's platforms with new engine against the profit they can get there).

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by throwaw4y-plate »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #237
throwaw4y-plate wrote: post #146

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I dont get this store analogy. Best Buy can't suppress the existence of Fry's, so I can go do business with Fry's if a bridge with best buy is burnt. Apple suppresses all competition. And the legality has yet to be determined.

And Apple can't suppress the existence of Google or any other platform company. Personally, I bought an Apple device specifically because it was so locked down. I don't understand the desire to dictate how a piece of software should operate in this case. Why should Apple be forced to make their software operate like Google's? There are alternatives so nobody is forced to use Apple's platform if they don't want to. Th…

I'm sorry, i don't follow your argument.

E: and Google is no better.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

danudey wrote: post #215
mantap wrote: post #68

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Usually when you fire a customer they can go to one of your competitors. This just proves Epic's argument. There is no competing App Store on iOS because it's not allowed. If Apple "fires" you then your users can no longer install the app onto their own phones. Imagine if Microsoft "fired" Adobe and as a result nobody could install Photoshop on Windows anymore.

If Epic thinks that Apple's and Google's store conditions are onerous, just wait until they find out what it's like to ship a game on PS4 or XBox.

This whole thing is about Fortnite which is already on both of those platforms.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by bad_good_guy »

microtherion wrote: post #235
username3 wrote: post #135

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Epic doesn’t allow kids to use custom community made skins either. Kids are afraid of getting banned.

I've been wondering about that. So, by Epic's logic, doesn't that make them a monopolist in the Fortnite in-app purchase market?

my god you people are thick

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by gridlockd »

misnome wrote: post #317
gridlockd wrote: post #216

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Game consoles are toys, smartphones are an integral part of people's lives and livelihoods.

What's preventing a console being used as a productivity platform? Isn't it just the artificial restriction on where you can get software for it from?

Its stated purpose. Sony once tried to get some tax advantages by classifying the PS3 as a general purpose computer, which they achieved through the "OtherOS" feature, which allowed you to run Linux.

They later removed that feature, causing a class action lawsuit, which they settled.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by arcticbull »

misnome wrote: post #310
ProAm wrote: post #289

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Because they were not kicked from the app store for doing so.

Come on, I don't think anyone is pretending that this wasn't a deliberate provocation by Epic

I guess so, but so what? Deliberately provoking a potentially illegal act to litigate it is fair game. It doesn't legitimize the move by Apple, nor does it invalidate Epic's claim. If they want to play high-stakes poker, they better have good attorneys, but that's life in the American judicial system.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by breakfastduck »

chillacy wrote: post #277
quotha wrote: post #261

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I hear ya, but something smells real bad about how Epic decided to wage this war. They were clearly picking this fight, now I am not sure that was such a good idea.

It's not dissimilar to how civil disobedience in the 60s thoroughly planned and tuned for maximum PR impact. Rosa Parks went on that bus knowing she'd make a scene. Does that change the reality being uncovered?

I dont think a massive company like Epic with all the bad practices they've implemented themselves suing another mega rich company is anything like Rosa Parks getting on that bus, though.

Intentions are important considerations with something like this.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by chillacy »

quotha wrote: post #292
chillacy wrote: post #277

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It's not dissimilar to how civil disobedience in the 60s thoroughly planned and tuned for maximum PR impact. Rosa Parks went on that bus knowing she'd make a scene. Does that change the reality being uncovered?

Really? Sorry, that is not what I think of at all regarding this situation.

Maybe elaborate your comment further to prevent confusion? When you commented

>"I hear ya, but something smells real bad about how Epic decided to wage this war"

I read it as

"I agree that the situation is unfair but I disagree with how they decided to uncover it because it was deliberate".

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