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Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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If URLs get hidden in such a way, developers are going to stop caring about them. This is going to result in experiences like we get with apps like Facebook, which doesn’t have any conceivable way to get back to certain content. Think single page apps that never have any URL changes.

Of course the brass at Google is incredibly short sighted and clumsy in their approach. All the good people at Google are gone and we’re left with the dredges and it’s starting to show.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Anecdotally, it seems computer literacy is actually dropping over time. I taught an entry-level scripting course aimed at medical graduate students for several years, and each year the number of students who did not comprehend even the concept of files and folders was higher than the previous year.

That's entirely our industry's fault. After all, there are no files anymore, just cloud documents on remote websites.

I don't think dealing with files made people any more computer literate, nor is understanding the folder/file UI abstraction any more of a badge of tech literacy than understanding what "pull to refresh" might do on an iPhone.

We like to overdramatize the importance of computer literacy because we take it for granted that computers are our livelihood, not some principled quest of self-betterment to understand the world.

We're like a group of mechanics finishing each other's sentences over how everyone should know how a carburetor works, and then circlejerking over how we "failed the people" with the move to power steering. And don't even get us started on how push-button ignition set the public's car literacy back 100 years from the golden age of turning a key to really understand the inner workings of locomotion.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Currently. Though Mozilla is giving no clear plans on continuing the projects importance. If anything it seems Mozilla is planning for an eventual sunset. Hoping to have revenue alternatives for when Firefox is irrelevant and they stop supporting it. Firing a team building a meaningful advancement in Firefox's tech stack is a big signal, imo.

Is it possible that if Mozilla folded or stopped supporting Firefox that the open-source community would continue to support it?

Possible, but not to a sufficient extent to keep up with the ever changing needs.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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The way to guarantee a future without an alternative browser is to not use an alternative browser.

I hear you, but simultaneously everyone (including me) has a certain limit to which they will be principled. If it happens like I mentioned, I will jump ship. On macOS, Firefox still guzzles battery compared to Chromium browsers. This seemed like a thing that, whilst not fixed, was actively being worked on. If I had to hazard a guess, that will slip heavily in priority now.

Who knows. The best way to vote is to be an active user of the product and give feedback that power use should be a priority.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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I tried. Tab switching was - for me - horrible compared to Chrome (chrome:swipe down, swipe address bar down, select tab you want from carousel). I kept looking if i missed this obvious feature. I tried to live without it, but Firefox mobile's tab switching just turned out to be a deal breaker for me. If anyone had some tips: please!! I'd vastly prefer using FF on mobile.

Tab switching on Firefox Nightly is much better as of a week or so ago. You can now swipe left and right on the address bar to go between tabs, just like in Chrome. It's particularly nice when the address bar is on the bottom.

Cool. Long time firefox user here and that was a useful discovery for me

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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They're just trying to prevent phishing. Remember when the DNC was hacked? Employees at the DNC were linked to sites that looked exactly like the Google sign-in page, except that the URL was "myaccount.google.com-securitysettingpage.tk". picture of the phishing website: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/189688/does-goo... From interviews, it seems like there's two features Chrome developers are working on…

How exactly does it help to prevent fishing from domains like my-google-account.tk?

(Disclaimer: Work at Google but not affiliated with our security team or with Chrome.)

Those URLs have to actually contain the name of the brand in the thing that is being registered with the domain registrar. Which is a _lot_ easier to find and proactively shut down than things in subdomains which may only be visible once a specific URL gets resolved (wildcards etc.).

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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I use Firefox as my daily drive, and I still don't get what's so special about Chrome's dev tools, I test on Chrome and open the dev tools but I prefer Firefox overall. It's a damn shame they fired the Dev Tools team however, that is not a visionary move on Mozilla's part. Depending on your IDE, you can make it just open Chrome when you boot up web projects. That's what I do, but I do normal browsing on Firefox, it h…

Some of it may just be familiarity, but it always seems like there are little things that aren't all the way there. Some of the CSS property selectors aren't as rich, last I checked the profiling tools weren't as powerful, that kind of stuff. Things you could live without, but I feel a certain amount of responsibility when I'm on the clock to not hamper my productivity by using a tool that isn't the best one availabl…

Some things this is still true, other things I don't think I could go back to chrome devel tools, it just feels weak and old by comparison now.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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I use Firefox as my daily drive, and I still don't get what's so special about Chrome's dev tools, I test on Chrome and open the dev tools but I prefer Firefox overall. It's a damn shame they fired the Dev Tools team however, that is not a visionary move on Mozilla's part. Depending on your IDE, you can make it just open Chrome when you boot up web projects. That's what I do, but I do normal browsing on Firefox, it h…

Some of it may just be familiarity, but it always seems like there are little things that aren't all the way there. Some of the CSS property selectors aren't as rich, last I checked the profiling tools weren't as powerful, that kind of stuff. Things you could live without, but I feel a certain amount of responsibility when I'm on the clock to not hamper my productivity by using a tool that isn't the best one availabl…

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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We are going back to AOL days. That didn’t work out so well for AOL in the long run. It’s kind of crazy to me you can’t do marketing now without at least discussing Google and Facebook these days. Edit: at least you knew you were the customer with AOL and paid them with clear terms for access.

The only difference is that Google has endlessly more clout and depth than AOL and my fear is that where AOL failed, Google may succeed. With Firefox succumbing this week, this is pretty horrible. I’m not a Richard Stallman type, but I think it’s come to the point where if you have even the slightest pretense of being a “free web” person, using Chrome or a Chromium-based browser has become unconscionable. This compan…

Chrome sucks and hasn’t gotten the love it used to
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